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The Bulwark Podcast

Mark Hertling and Ruben Gallego: A Rush to War

The Bulwark Podcast
70 minRetired US Army Lieutenant General

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→ WHAT IT COVERS Retired Lt. General Mark Hertling and Senator Ruben Gallego analyze the U.S. military strike on Iran, examining the absence of clear objectives, contradictory statements from Hegseth, Vance, and Rubio, munitions stockpile concerns, the deaths of six U.S. service members in Kuwait, and how Democrats should communicate opposition to the conflict. → KEY INSIGHTS - **Conflicting military objectives:** Hegseth, Vance, and Rubio each stated different war goals publicly — destroying Iran's navy and drone capability, eliminating nuclear ambitions, and preempting Iranian retaliation against Israel respectively. Military planners require a single defined end state to build effective targeting packages. Without one, commanders default to destroying as much as possible with no political framework connecting strikes to outcomes. - **Munitions depletion math:** Over 2,500 kinetic strikes in four days consumes precision weapons at an unsustainable rate. Patriot interceptor missiles cost $1–1.5 million each and are being fired continuously across Gulf State batteries. These stockpiles take years to replenish. Trump's claim that upper-tier munitions are at record highs contradicts the operational tempo, and the Pentagon's bean-counters flag risk to contingency plans for North Korea, China, and Russia. - **Shahed drone asymmetry:** Iran's Shahed drones range from $5,000 to $20,000 per unit, fly between 300 and 60,000 feet, and carry wingspans of 8 to 20 feet. Shooting them down with $1.5 million Patriot missiles is economically unsustainable. The drones struck a logistics command post in Kuwait's Shuaiba port — a tin-and-sandbag facility, not a fortified installation — killing all six U.S. service members from what Hegseth incorrectly described as a hardened site. - **Rubio's circular imminent-threat logic:** Rubio publicly justified the preemptive strike by arguing that because Israel was going to attack Iran, Iran would then attack U.S. forces, so the U.S. had to strike first. This reasoning means the actual imminent threat originated from an ally's planned action, not Iranian aggression. The administration made no public attempt to delay Israel's timeline or negotiate alternative sequencing before committing U.S. forces. - **Counterintelligence gap at war onset:** The week before strikes began, Kash Patel fired 12 FBI agents including members of an elite counterespionage unit specializing in Iranian threats — the same unit involved in the Mar-a-Lago classified documents case containing Iran war plans. Simultaneously, ATF and FBI counterterrorism agents were reassigned to immigration enforcement, removing the domestic infrastructure designed to detect Iranian sleeper cell activity during active hostilities. - **Democratic messaging framework:** Gallego argues Democrats should bypass procedural arguments about war powers or AUMFs and focus on two questions voters are already asking: why is this conflict worth risking their children's lives, and why is money going to war instead of domestic problems. Polling-adjacent evidence shows constituents fear the draft, reserve call-ups, and escalation costs — framing opposition around those concrete fears outperforms process-based critiques. → NOTABLE MOMENT Hertling recounted an Iraqi official's response when pressed on deadlines during the Iraq War: the official noted that Americans have the watch but Iranians have the time. Iranian leadership has publicly framed the conflict as a contest of endurance, betting that U.S. public attention will collapse within 60 to 90 days. 💼 SPONSORS [{"name": "Cox Internet", "url": "https://www.cox.com"}, {"name": "Justworks", "url": "https://www.justworks.com"}, {"name": "Sundays for Dogs", "url": "https://www.sundaysfordogs.com"}, {"name": "SelectQuote", "url": "https://www.selectquote.com/bulwark"}] 🏷️ Iran Military Strike, U.S. Munitions Stockpiles, Shahed Drone Warfare, Democratic War Opposition Strategy, Counterintelligence FBI Firings, Middle East Escalation

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→ WHAT IT COVERS Retired Lieutenant General Mark Hertling analyzes masked ICE agents' tactics, compares them to Iraqi police forces, examines military contingencies for Iran and Greenland, and discusses Ukraine's deteriorating humanitarian crisis amid Russian attacks. → KEY INSIGHTS - **ICE Agent Accountability:** Masked federal agents operating without identification mirrors early Iraqi security forces who wore masks due to corruption and fear. Professional security forces display pride through visible identity, as Iraqi forces demonstrated by removing masks and launching billboard campaigns featuring named officers. - **Iran Military Planning:** Effective Iran strategy requires all four elements of national power—diplomacy, information, economics, and military—not just airstrikes. The IRGC and Basij forces total 800,000 personnel, exceeding US Army size, making surgical strikes insufficient without comprehensive planning for post-regime governance and stability. - **Ukraine Humanitarian Crisis:** Russia shifted tactics to fire ballistic missiles at local power substations rather than generation facilities, leaving Kyiv at 3°F without electricity for fourteen days. Over 110 American volunteers have been killed fighting for Ukraine, a fact receiving minimal media coverage. - **Greenland Invasion Logistics:** JSOC specializes in counterterrorism and extraction missions, not territorial invasion planning. Greenland's 50,000 citizens live on 20% of the island, with 80% ice coverage. The US already operates Pituffik Space Force Base with Danish cooperation, making invasion militarily nonsensical. → NOTABLE MOMENT Hertling reveals he received messages from Swedish military officers thanking him for Bulwark articles, noting Sweden now considers developing nuclear weapons as NATO's reliability collapses under current US leadership, reversing decades of non-proliferation policy among advanced democracies. 💼 SPONSORS [{"name": "Rocket Money", "url": "https://rocketmoney.com/cancel"}, {"name": "Wild Grain", "url": "https://wildgrain.com/thebullwark"}, {"name": "Trade Coffee", "url": "https://drinktrade.com/bulwark"}] 🏷️ Military Strategy, ICE Operations, Ukraine Crisis, NATO Alliance

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→ WHAT IT COVERS Retired General Mark Hertling analyzes Trump's national security strategy, criticizing its condescending treatment of European allies, lack of focus on alliances, and controversial Venezuela military operations that bypassed normal command structures. → KEY INSIGHTS - **National Security Strategy Impact:** Trump's strategy document serves as the capstone for all subordinate military planning, forcing combatant commanders worldwide to rewrite theater strategies, contingency plans, and training priorities based on its directives and priorities. - **European Alliance Fracture:** Trump's strategy contains only one sentence about building alliances while extensively criticizing European nations as decaying and politically correct, reversing Biden-era efforts to rebuild NATO relationships and insulting longtime military partners across 49 European countries. - **Venezuela Command Breakdown:** The Southern Command commander Admiral Halsey was asked to retire after less than one year in his four-star position following disagreements with Secretary Hegseth over Venezuela boat strikes, suggesting civilian leadership bypassed normal military chain of command. - **Illegal Order Gray Areas:** Military personnel face unclear guidance on refusing orders when operations lack congressional war declarations, as demonstrated by Venezuela strikes where interdiction and intelligence gathering would have been legal alternatives to lethal force against survivors. → NOTABLE MOMENT Hertling reveals that European military and government officials express anger after three beers about American policy shifts, believing the alliance damage may be irreparable, though he predicts relationships will eventually rebuild when America realizes it needs allies more than they need us. 💼 SPONSORS [{"name": "Rocket Money", "url": "https://rocketmoney.com/cancel"}, {"name": "Scooter's Coffee", "url": null}, {"name": "Aura Frames", "url": "https://auraframes.com"}, {"name": "TurboTax", "url": "https://turbotax.com/free"}] 🏷️ NATO Relations, Venezuela Military Operations, National Security Strategy, Civil-Military Relations

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