Brené with Kara Swisher and Scott Galloway on Pivot, Reverence, and What’s Behind Big Tech

Hi, everyone. I'm Brene Brown, and this is Unlocking Us. What a fun conversation you're getting ready to listen to and be a part of. So Steve and I like to listen to Pivot, the Pivot podcast together sometimes, with tech journalist, Kara Swisher, and NYU professor, Scott Galloway. And I don't even know how to describe their podcast, but I always feel smarter, more pissed off, sometimes more confused, and provoked when I listen to it. And so today, I'm actually talking with Cara and Scott about you know, I I had a list of things. I was gonna do a word association game with them. You'll see in the conversation where I just wanted them to give us thoughts on all of these big tech companies and tech people who we interface with and hear about all the time, but I don't think we understand and know enough about. You know? Like, we say Facebook. We'll say Tesla. We'll say, you know, Spotify. We'll say all these names, but what's really going on? And how are these folks outside of our awareness, at least mine often, shaping the world I live in, the democracies I wanna uphold? How is that happening? Well, as you'll see, we didn't get past Facebook because it took us down a really I don't know. What's the word I'm looking for? Scary, hard, illuminating look at big tech in general. I'm so glad you're here for this. I thought about, should this be a dare to lead podcast? And the more I thought about it, the more I thought, no. This needs a broader audience of people who are not just listening to leadership and organizational development work, but parents and people just like you and me who engage with platforms, who are apparently built in a way that is causing a lot of us a lot of pain. I'm glad you're here. It's a provocative conversation. I agree with a lot of what they say. I disagree with some stuff that they say, but I love the conversation, and I appreciate both Scott and Cara. Avoiding your unfinished home projects because you're not sure where to start? Thumbtack knows homes, so you don't have to. Don't know the difference between matte paint finish and satin, or what that clunking sound from your dryer is? With Thumbtack, you don't have to be a home pro. You just have to hire one. You can hire top rated pros, see price estimates, and read reviews all on the app. Download today. At Criminal, we've made it a tradition every December to dedicate an episode entirely to animals who are really going for it. And Tony, what happened when you pulled over? Nothing out of the ordinary until I saw the cat on the back of the roof behind the luggage carrier. Listen to our fifth annual animals episode on Criminal wherever you get your podcasts. Alright. Before we jump in, let me tell you a …