Brené with Father Richard Rohr on Breathing Under Water, Falling Upward, and Unlearning Certainty, Part 1 of 2

Hi, everyone. I'm Brene Brown, and this is unlocking us. Today, I am talking to someone who has really shaped and blessed my life in in profound ways, father Richard Rohr. This is part one of a two part special. I actually flew to Albuquerque and met with father Richard at the Center for Action and Contemplation. It was an incredible trip, just a beautiful space holding beautiful ideas and beautiful people. I don't know what else to say. We had Richard on earlier this year talking about infinite love, and we're gonna dig into some of my quotes from a couple of my favorite books, and we're gonna talk about, I guess, the things that really matter the most. I'm glad you're here. Avoiding your unfinished home projects because you're not sure where to start? Thumbtack knows homes, so you don't have to. Don't know the difference between matte paint finish and satin, or what that clunking sound from your dryer is? With Thumbtack, you don't have to be a home pro. You just have to hire one. You can hire top rated pros, see price estimates, and read reviews all on the app. Download today. At Criminal, we've made it a tradition every December to dedicate an episode entirely to animals who are really going for it. And Tony, what happened when you pulled over? Nothing out of the ordinary until I saw the cat on the back of the roof behind the luggage carrier. Listen to our fifth annual Animals episode on Criminal wherever you get your podcasts. Before we get started, let me tell you a little bit about father Richard. He is a Franciscan friar and teacher, an internationally recognized author and spiritual leader. He teaches primarily on incarnational mysticism, nondual consciousness, and contemplation with a particular emphasis on how these affect the social justice issues of our time. He is the author of, I don't know, 60 books, and he has been a huge influence on my life. I wanted to connect with him about his writings and ask him about a number of my favorite quotes. And so in this episode, we focus on his writing in oh, this book is so dang good. Breathing underwater, spirituality and the 12 steps. We talk about the cult of innocence, permission to make up prayers, a little bit on living as an enneagram one, which I don't think I realized he was, but I am. The thing that made me so mad at church that I had to leave, and unrelenting and humiliating grace. I'm glad you're here. Father Richard. Yes. Good day. Good day. I'm so I can't even tell you what it feels like to be with you here. Really? Yes. That's so humbling. Thank you. Brene's here at our center in Albuquerque. It feels special here. It does. Well, it is. We have good people and good places. Our little we have three facilities on this one street. So people from the …