Brené with Anand Giridharadas on The Persuaders, Part 1 of 2

Hi, everyone. I'm Brene Brown, and this is unlocking us. Oh, man. I love this two part series. Barrett, how good was this? What? Today, I'm talking to Anand Girardas, author of The Persuaders, subtitle, At the Front Lines of the Fight for Hearts, Minds, and Democracy. Anand has my heart and my mind, and he's got my democracy too. I don't know how you can have that, but, boy, this book have you ever seen me tear up a book like this book? I have not. I mean, I bet I don't wanna be hyperbolic here, but I bet 25% of it is highlighted, underlined, or has an exclamation point, so much so that it became meaningless. I had to actually start, like, hierarchically ranking the importance of the different colors. It's just so good. This is a two part special around Anand's book. And every now and then, I come across something that makes me think in a completely new way. And this was one of those times. Persuasion, the ability to reach across difference and believe that others are movable and that I have the capacity to be moved as the heart of democracy. I'm so glad you're here for this conversation. Welcome to unlocking us, and get ready to be persuaded. Avoiding your unfinished home projects because you're not sure where to start? Thumbtack knows homes, so you don't have to. Don't know the difference between matte paint finish and satin or what that clunking sound from your dryer is? With Thumbtack, you don't have to be a home pro. You just have to hire one. You can hire top rated pros, see price estimates, and read reviews all on the app. Download today. At Criminal, we've made it a tradition every December to dedicate an episode entirely to animals who are really going for it. And, Tony, what happened when you pulled over? Nothing out of the ordinary until I saw the cat on the back of the roof behind the luggage carrier. Listen to our fifth annual Animals episode on Criminal wherever you get your podcasts. Before we get started, let me introduce you to Anand Girardas. He is the author of the international bestseller Winners Take All, The True American, and India Calling. He's a former foreign correspondent and columnist for The New York Times. We're We're gonna hear a lot about his story, which I think is what did you think? So good. Right? Yeah. I I couldn't believe how, wait till you hear about his job at India. Yeah. His first job there. Yeah. It's whole new, insight on consulting. Anyway, so former correspondent and columnist for The New York Times for more than a decade. He's also written for The New Yorker, The Atlantic and Time. He's the publisher of the newsletter V dot Inc. He is an on air political analyst for MSNBC. He's received the Radcliffe Fellowship, the Porchlight Business Book of the Year award, Harvard University's outstanding …