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This Startup Fused Human Brain Cells with Silicon Chips | E2295

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Silicon Chips

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Key Takeaways

  • Biological vs. GPU efficiency: In reinforcement learning benchmarks, Cortical Labs' neuron-based systems demonstrated 5,000 times greater sample efficiency than GPU-based systems. GPUs compensate by accelerating simulated time, but that advantage disappears in physical-world robotics, where real-time constraints apply. This makes biological computing a strong candidate for training embodied AI agents and autonomous systems operating in the physical world.
  • Energy economics of biological compute: Each CL1 unit consumes approximately 30 watts, compared to kilowatts required by GPU server racks. This allows data center partners like DayOne in Singapore to add biological compute capacity without affecting their regulated energy budgets. A 1,000-unit Singapore facility will operate within a 200-megawatt government-mandated cap, making biological compute a viable path around energy constraints.
  • On-site neuron manufacturing eliminates supply chain risk: The Singapore data center will include an adjacent laboratory to grow neurons on-site, removing dependence on external cell shipments. This decentralizes the biological compute supply chain so each facility becomes self-sufficient, similar to a data center manufacturing its own chips locally. Maintenance requires swapping filtration cartridges every four to six months, analogous to replacing kidneys.
  • Cloud access democratizes biological computing: Rather than requiring buyers to maintain lab infrastructure, Cortical Labs offers cloud access to its Melbourne data center via Python SDK and Jupyter notebooks. A Stanford student with no biology background built a working Doom-playing biological computer through a hackathon using only the API. Developers can pip-install the SDK and access live neural activity streams remotely from any location.
  • Consciousness avoidance as a hard ethical boundary: Cortical Labs has established a firm internal policy against creating conscious systems, because consciousness introduces the capacity for suffering. The company monitors neural activity through its cloud platform and works with bioethicists proactively. The Vatican reviewed the technology and concluded current applications are ethically acceptable, partly because use cases center on disease modeling, toxicology, and movement disorder research.

What It Covers

Cortical Labs CEO Han presents the company's biological computing platform, which fuses human neurons with silicon chips. The CL1 device houses up to 2 million neurons, runs on 30 watts, and has been deployed at five major US research institutions. A biological data center with 120 units now operates in Melbourne, with a 1,000-unit Singapore facility planned.

Key Questions Answered

  • Biological vs. GPU efficiency: In reinforcement learning benchmarks, Cortical Labs' neuron-based systems demonstrated 5,000 times greater sample efficiency than GPU-based systems. GPUs compensate by accelerating simulated time, but that advantage disappears in physical-world robotics, where real-time constraints apply. This makes biological computing a strong candidate for training embodied AI agents and autonomous systems operating in the physical world.
  • Energy economics of biological compute: Each CL1 unit consumes approximately 30 watts, compared to kilowatts required by GPU server racks. This allows data center partners like DayOne in Singapore to add biological compute capacity without affecting their regulated energy budgets. A 1,000-unit Singapore facility will operate within a 200-megawatt government-mandated cap, making biological compute a viable path around energy constraints.
  • On-site neuron manufacturing eliminates supply chain risk: The Singapore data center will include an adjacent laboratory to grow neurons on-site, removing dependence on external cell shipments. This decentralizes the biological compute supply chain so each facility becomes self-sufficient, similar to a data center manufacturing its own chips locally. Maintenance requires swapping filtration cartridges every four to six months, analogous to replacing kidneys.
  • Cloud access democratizes biological computing: Rather than requiring buyers to maintain lab infrastructure, Cortical Labs offers cloud access to its Melbourne data center via Python SDK and Jupyter notebooks. A Stanford student with no biology background built a working Doom-playing biological computer through a hackathon using only the API. Developers can pip-install the SDK and access live neural activity streams remotely from any location.
  • Consciousness avoidance as a hard ethical boundary: Cortical Labs has established a firm internal policy against creating conscious systems, because consciousness introduces the capacity for suffering. The company monitors neural activity through its cloud platform and works with bioethicists proactively. The Vatican reviewed the technology and concluded current applications are ethically acceptable, partly because use cases center on disease modeling, toxicology, and movement disorder research.
  • Neuron count context for compute benchmarking: The CL1 operates with approximately 200,000 neurons per instance, comparable in scale to a fly or cockroach nervous system. Unlike LLM parameter counts, neuron counts do not directly map to intelligence but do confer generalized adaptability that silicon systems lack. Cortical Labs is exploring PDMS microfluidic segmentation to partition a single chip into multiple isolated compute instances, similar to virtual machine architecture.

Notable Moment

During a live demo, Han remotely accessed a Melbourne lab from New York and delivered an electrical stimulus directly to a neuron culture, visibly triggering a burst of neural activity on screen. He noted the ethical irony that this would be unacceptable if the system were conscious, describing it as essentially waking something up without warning.

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A little worried about how we're gonna tell people we're fusing neurons with computers. The world's first biological data center. When they compared it against their reinforcement learning systems, the neurons we had were 5,000 times more stable efficient. Has anyone complained that you're, tinkering a bit with the edges of humanity? The Vatican were worried about this. You do not wanna create conscious systems because, ethically, a conscious system has the ability to suffer, and we do not want any suffering to come about from any technology. This Week in Startups is brought to you by LinkedIn. Post your job for free at linkedin.com/twist, then promote it to get access to LinkedIn jobs new AI assistant. Quo, formerly OpenPhone, gives you a clean, modern way to handle every customer call, text, and thread all in one place. Try it free and get 20 off your first six months at quo.com/twist. And Deal. Founders scale faster on Deal. Set up payroll for any country in minutes, hire anyone anywhere, get visas handled fast, and get back to building. Visit deal.com/twist to learn more. Hello, and welcome back to Twist. Now today, we're talking to a company we spoke to in 2025 because I thought they were one of the most interesting startups in the entire world. Called Cortical Labs, they are trying to fuse silicon chips that we all know and love with human neurons, bringing the biologic and the synthetic together to create a new type of computer, a biological computer. I was so tickled by the idea, I had to talk to them. But since that first conversation, Cortical Labs has built out data centers of its biological computers, which means that we now have real robust capacity to kind of bring humans and computers together. So to tell us more about what's been going on over in the realm of cortical labs, please welcome back to the show. It's my dear friend, Han. Han, how are you doing? Good. Thank you. It's great to, chat again, Alex. And, congratulations. I heard you had a new baby. Yes. That's why I've been extra tired these last four months, but we're powering through with the just the grace of coffee. Alright. So so, Han, last time we talked, you had just put out your c l one, which was the first kind of, like, fully contained biological computer with neurons and chips, and you were selling them, I think, for something like $35,000 a piece. So before we get deep into the tech, just for the business folks out there, how has that product performed in market? We've kind of exhausted our entire stock of the units that we had kept. So that's good. And you can work out how much that that that end up becoming. Roughly million. Yeah. And, we have actually so I'm in The US right now partly because we're fundraising. But at the same time, I've also, you know, CEO of SENSOA chief everything …

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