Bittensor creator Const on Affine, dTAO, "mining reasoning," and more | E2326
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Key Takeaways
- ✓Permissionless market design: Bittensor's core competitive advantage mirrors Bitcoin's: anyone anywhere can contribute compute anonymously without approval. This creates hypercompetitive markets that scale efficiently — when one subnet tripled miner payments, compute supply tripled within two months. Human organizations cannot replicate this because hiring, contracts, and coordination create friction that permissionless code-based mechanisms eliminate entirely.
- ✓Subnet economics (dTAO): Each of Bittensor's 128 subnets issues its own alpha token paired to TAO via an automated market maker liquidity pool. TAO has a 21 million cap identical to Bitcoin, with one token minted roughly every 12 seconds post-halving. Subnet registration costs approximately 600 TAO (~$121,000), set via Dutch auction that doubles on registration then declines until the next buyer.
- ✓Adversarial design is the entire product: Steeves states that resisting bad actors is not a feature of subnet design — it is the entirety of the project. Subnet 51 built GPU attestation without trusted execution environments by SSH-verifying hardware remotely. Subnet ENGY uses cryptographic proofs (TopALock, developed by Prime Intellect) to verify that miners are running the correct model at inference time, not a cheaper substitute.
- ✓Decentralized training bandwidth problem: Training large models requires merging weight gradients every step, generating terabytes of data transfer per iteration. Across hundreds of thousands of training steps, bandwidth requirements exceed what distributed home or cloud nodes can sustain. Bittensor's Templar subnet is attempting to solve this via S3-compatible bucket storage as a shared synchronization layer, which would unlock trillion-parameter decentralized training.
- ✓Affine subnet — mining reasoning: Affine (subnet 120) targets reasoning capabilities rather than raw model size. Miners produce small models or adapters that improve how larger models think through problems, enabling faster inference — potentially 30x — by offloading reasoning to a specialized lightweight model. The long-term goal is using mined reasoning data as training signal to produce frontier-competitive models through the permissionless network.
What It Covers
Jacob Steeves, creator of Bittensor, explains how the network applies Bitcoin's permissionless proof-of-work model to artificial intelligence. The episode covers subnet architecture, the dynamic TAO (dTAO) economic system, the Affine subnet's "mining reasoning" approach, and why decentralized AI represents a viable third path against OpenAI and frontier labs.
Key Questions Answered
- •Permissionless market design: Bittensor's core competitive advantage mirrors Bitcoin's: anyone anywhere can contribute compute anonymously without approval. This creates hypercompetitive markets that scale efficiently — when one subnet tripled miner payments, compute supply tripled within two months. Human organizations cannot replicate this because hiring, contracts, and coordination create friction that permissionless code-based mechanisms eliminate entirely.
- •Subnet economics (dTAO): Each of Bittensor's 128 subnets issues its own alpha token paired to TAO via an automated market maker liquidity pool. TAO has a 21 million cap identical to Bitcoin, with one token minted roughly every 12 seconds post-halving. Subnet registration costs approximately 600 TAO (~$121,000), set via Dutch auction that doubles on registration then declines until the next buyer.
- •Adversarial design is the entire product: Steeves states that resisting bad actors is not a feature of subnet design — it is the entirety of the project. Subnet 51 built GPU attestation without trusted execution environments by SSH-verifying hardware remotely. Subnet ENGY uses cryptographic proofs (TopALock, developed by Prime Intellect) to verify that miners are running the correct model at inference time, not a cheaper substitute.
- •Decentralized training bandwidth problem: Training large models requires merging weight gradients every step, generating terabytes of data transfer per iteration. Across hundreds of thousands of training steps, bandwidth requirements exceed what distributed home or cloud nodes can sustain. Bittensor's Templar subnet is attempting to solve this via S3-compatible bucket storage as a shared synchronization layer, which would unlock trillion-parameter decentralized training.
- •Affine subnet — mining reasoning: Affine (subnet 120) targets reasoning capabilities rather than raw model size. Miners produce small models or adapters that improve how larger models think through problems, enabling faster inference — potentially 30x — by offloading reasoning to a specialized lightweight model. The long-term goal is using mined reasoning data as training signal to produce frontier-competitive models through the permissionless network.
- •Rug pull mitigation via voluntary locking: After the Templar subnet collapse — where founders sold holdings and publicly blamed the network — Bittensor introduced optional token-locking mechanisms for subnet teams. Teams can publicly commit to multi-year locks, making large sell events visible on-chain before execution. This mirrors startup vesting structures and gives investors an exit window when founders signal intent to liquidate.
Notable Moment
Steeves describes the Templar subnet collapse with candor: the founders sold their positions, then published a public statement blaming the network to obscure their exit. The project dissolved immediately. Steeves frames this as structurally identical to early-stage startup founder abandonment, but made worse by crypto's instant secondary liquidity.
Episode Transcript
I've been looking for a crypto project that would solve problems in the real world. Instead of just saying, here are all the tokens, have at it, everybody starts speculating, it's a store of value, you have to make them by solving this mathematical equation. It's not an understatement to say that we are up against nation states because it this is truly, like, China versus The United States. In order for the rest of us to take on OpenAI, we need to come up with a way that we can work together. For some people, mining bit tensor is, like, the most fun game they've ever played ever. I predict I'm gonna make tens of millions. That's my goal. This Week in Startups is brought to you by Northwest Registered Agent. Got a new business idea? Northwest Registered Agent helps you bring it to life. Get a free domain, email, phone number, and more with no purchase required. Learn more at www.northwestregisteredagent.com/twistdomain. DigitalOcean. Want to see what building on a true AI native platform looks like? Head to do.co/twist to start building on DigitalOcean's AI native cloud today and cut your AI workload cost by up to 50%. And Odoo, the all in one business platform. Your first app is free. Get started today at odoo.com/twist. Alright, everybody. Welcome back to This Week in Startups Twist. Man, do we have something special for you today? I have been, tau pilled. Yeah. You know, tensor. You're tau maxing. Bit tensor maxing. There you go. Yeah. All of that. Because I all of that. I've been looking for a crypto project that would solve problems in the real world. Yes. And I felt like we got it on Bitcoin. I made some purchases when it was under a $100. I got hacked. I lost it all. My wife bought a bunch under 100, 200. We made millions. Fantastic. Wife's got, like, if you put my hall of fame investments on a leaderboard Your your Uber Two of my wives are in the top seven. Wow. Jay look at Jade. Top five. Well, dollar amounts and also on a percentage of premium raising her first fund? I think that's the question. Well, Jade just got half of this one. She's doing okay. Alright. Well, they go. Yeah. It's a yeah. And and rightfully so, having to deal with me for twenty three years. But the second bet I made was on BitTensor. Why did I make it on BitTensor? I just saw these subnets actually solving problems in the world, and I said, this is what I've been waiting for. Yes. And there's a guy, named Kant, and, he's here with us today to talk about BitTensor. We've been talking about it on this program all year long. It's one of our themes, Lon. I've learned a whole today about it this year. Let me tell you. Now let's get into it. Let's bring on Jacob Steves. He is also known as …
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“Jacob Steeves, creator of Bittensor, explains how the network applies Bitcoin's permissionless proof-of-work model to artificial intelligence. The episode covers subnet architecture, the dynamic TAO (dTAO) economic system, the Affine subnet's 'mining reasoning' approach.”
“Affine (subnet 120) targets reasoning capabilities rather than raw model size. Miners produce small models or adapters that improve how larger models think through problems, enabling faster inference — potentially 30x — by offloading reasoning to a specialized lightweight model.”
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“Subnet ENGY uses cryptographic proofs (TopALock, developed by Prime Intellect) to verify that miners are running the correct model at inference time, not a cheaper substitute.”
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