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851: Try a Little Tenderness

61 min episode · 3 min read

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61 min

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Personal Finance, Science & Discovery, Economics & Policy

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Key Takeaways

  • Childhood conflict resolution: Six-year-old May resolved her anger at sister Johanna by requesting to punch her in the butt instead of the face. Johanna agreed, understanding that refusing would escalate the situation. The compromise worked because May felt heard and got what she needed while Johanna avoided real harm. Both children recognized that asking for needs verbally, even unusual ones, prevents worse outcomes than acting impulsively.
  • Crow memory and grudges: Crows remember threats for seventeen years and teach offspring to recognize enemies across generations. University of Washington researcher John Marsluff wore an ogre mask while capturing crows in 2006, and each subsequent year more crows joined in attacking him when he returned wearing it. Alan Martin's tree-cutting incident triggered crow attacks that persisted for weeks, demonstrating how wildlife holds long-term grudges despite good intentions.
  • Crow appeasement strategy: After weeks of crow attacks, Alan Martin placed almonds on a shiny brass plate in his yard for three consecutive days while holding it above his head. By the fourth day, the crows stopped calling aggressively and disappeared after he left the offering. Researchers suggest that since Alan only stressed the crows without physical harm, food offerings helped them forget their grievance faster than if actual injury occurred.
  • Disguise effectiveness against crows: Alan Martin successfully avoided crow recognition by wearing a wig and beard. When he removed the disguise in front of the watching crow, it performed a literal backflip in shock and became extremely agitated. Alternative deterrents include umbrellas to block crow sightlines or wearing sunglasses backwards, as crows understand eye placement and avoid attacking perceived observers with extra eyes.
  • Bus driver utilitarian calculus: One bus driver refused to open doors for late passengers based on mathematical fairness: thirty seconds delay multiplied by sixty passengers equals thirty minutes of collective lost time, exceeding the fifteen minutes one late person loses. He prioritized societal good over individual gratitude, knowing passengers considered him cruel. His ideology stemmed from wanting to be God as a child, settling for bus driver as second choice.

What It Covers

This American Life explores responses to conflict through stories of choosing tenderness over aggression. Episodes include six-year-old May negotiating anger with her sister through an unconventional compromise, comedian John Mulaney performing a noir detective story, a man's multi-week feud with vengeful crows after cutting down their tree, and a bus driver's ideology about fairness versus compassion.

Key Questions Answered

  • Childhood conflict resolution: Six-year-old May resolved her anger at sister Johanna by requesting to punch her in the butt instead of the face. Johanna agreed, understanding that refusing would escalate the situation. The compromise worked because May felt heard and got what she needed while Johanna avoided real harm. Both children recognized that asking for needs verbally, even unusual ones, prevents worse outcomes than acting impulsively.
  • Crow memory and grudges: Crows remember threats for seventeen years and teach offspring to recognize enemies across generations. University of Washington researcher John Marsluff wore an ogre mask while capturing crows in 2006, and each subsequent year more crows joined in attacking him when he returned wearing it. Alan Martin's tree-cutting incident triggered crow attacks that persisted for weeks, demonstrating how wildlife holds long-term grudges despite good intentions.
  • Crow appeasement strategy: After weeks of crow attacks, Alan Martin placed almonds on a shiny brass plate in his yard for three consecutive days while holding it above his head. By the fourth day, the crows stopped calling aggressively and disappeared after he left the offering. Researchers suggest that since Alan only stressed the crows without physical harm, food offerings helped them forget their grievance faster than if actual injury occurred.
  • Disguise effectiveness against crows: Alan Martin successfully avoided crow recognition by wearing a wig and beard. When he removed the disguise in front of the watching crow, it performed a literal backflip in shock and became extremely agitated. Alternative deterrents include umbrellas to block crow sightlines or wearing sunglasses backwards, as crows understand eye placement and avoid attacking perceived observers with extra eyes.
  • Bus driver utilitarian calculus: One bus driver refused to open doors for late passengers based on mathematical fairness: thirty seconds delay multiplied by sixty passengers equals thirty minutes of collective lost time, exceeding the fifteen minutes one late person loses. He prioritized societal good over individual gratitude, knowing passengers considered him cruel. His ideology stemmed from wanting to be God as a child, settling for bus driver as second choice.
  • Spanking and socioeconomic context: Comedian Josh Johnson observes that spanking made practical sense in poor households with nothing material to confiscate as punishment. He contrasts his own childhood experience sharing a bedroom with his mother against wealthy classmates at Catholic school, noting that physical discipline for privileged children with pools and resources constitutes different ethical territory than for families with limited disciplinary options available.

Notable Moment

A muscular man trained in mixed martial arts started a street fight in Brooklyn, but his larger opponent grabbed his wrist mid-punch, lifted him by his belt, and spanked him publicly while suspended in air. The defeated fighter limped away after thirty-six strikes. The victor later explained he resembles many men's fathers and regularly gets challenged by strangers working through unresolved paternal issues.

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Episode Transcript

May is six years old in first grade. She's kind of fourth grade kid who, when we sit down for an interview, before I can get to any of the things that I wanna ask her, she launches into a few get to know you questions of her own. Hi, May. What's your favorite color? We discuss favorite colors, and then she moves on to What's your middle name? I'm glad you're asking me that. My middle name is We move on to last names, and soon she's instructed me on the pronunciation of her last name. Can you say Zmieljinski? That's how you say it. Zmuljenski. Zmuljenski, z m u d c z y n s k I. The story I was there to talk to miss Zmuljenski about happened at the beginning of the school year. In Saint Louis, where she lives, it was hot out. It's sort of a funny story. So my sister told me to wear long sleeves I mean, short sleeves because it was, like, summer. Mhmm. So and I wanted to wear long sleeves, and I just got mad. Yeah. And I also said stop bossing me around. Though she really didn't like it and she has a very fiery temper. This is her older sister Johanna. Johanna's eight in third grade. Again, May, six, first grade. Johanna, as the older sister, is very aware of the things that make May upset. Mostly when I tell her what to do. Especially, she says, when it comes to what May is wearing. Like, she thinks fashion disasters are, like, the worst thing ever to happen, so she gets really angry when I tell her what to wear. And, yeah, Mei gets very angry a lot. And her face turns red and, yeah. Here's Mei. I was, like, so frustrated. I had a big tantrum. What do you do when you have a tantrum? I usually do this with my fist. You're scrunching your fist as tight as they can go. Yeah, and I was jumping and jumping and twitching my legs. Meanwhile, me and Johanna's mom, Meghan, was trying to get them both dressed and ready for school. And I just remember she was screaming because she I said, okay, Mae. You gotta calm down so you can still get ready and get out the door. And she was just screaming that the only way she could calm down was if she punched her sister in the face. I told my mom, that's the only way for me to calm down. And I said, well, that's not an option. So can you think of some other way to calm down? And then I had to get ready, so I just left and she was still kinda making quite a bit of noise. And then when I came back, kinda miraculously, the tears had dried. She was smiling. Johanna was smiling. What had happened? How'd these two little kids work this out so quickly? Well, …

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