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Live from CES: What is the point of a robot that falls over?

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64 min

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2 min

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Health & Wellness, Investing, Startups

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Key Takeaways

  • Hardware-Software Gap: Chinese manufacturing enables companies like SwitchBot and Agibox to produce humanoid robots and complex hardware at scale, but software remains years behind. LG's Cloyd robot failed to fold towels in demos, illustrating that balance and movement work, but practical task execution requires world models, not LLMs, which lack sufficient investment.
  • AI Gadget Confusion: Companies flood CES with AI wearables, smart glasses, and companion devices without defining clear use cases beyond existing phones. Lenovo, Razer, and others ship AI glasses and desk bots, but manufacturers admit consumers buy based on battery life and performance, not AI features, creating market confusion.
  • Matter Protocol Success: Thread and Matter standards enable small startups to ship smart home sensors and devices that interoperate across ecosystems without manufacturer lock-in. This shifts competition from walled gardens to product quality, though platforms still resist sharing room configuration data between Google Assistant and Alexa.
  • Battery Life Priority: Manufacturers prioritize battery longevity over specs after observing Apple Silicon laptops lasting full days. Motorola ships smartwatches with thirteen-day battery, tracking tags with extended life, and even RV trailers that charge EV trucks while towing, responding to decade-long consumer demand for endurance over thinness.
  • Furniture-Integrated Tech: IKEA and others embed smart home technology into normal-looking furniture rather than creating gadget-forward designs. LEGO's smart brick and Samsung's art TVs exemplify hiding sensors and connectivity inside everyday objects, requiring Matter standards to enable cross-device intelligence without visible tech aesthetic.

What It Covers

Live from CES 2025, Nilay Patel and David Pierce analyze major tech trends including widespread humanoid robots with immature software, proliferation of AI gadgets without clear use cases, and Chinese manufacturing enabling rapid hardware development.

Key Questions Answered

  • Hardware-Software Gap: Chinese manufacturing enables companies like SwitchBot and Agibox to produce humanoid robots and complex hardware at scale, but software remains years behind. LG's Cloyd robot failed to fold towels in demos, illustrating that balance and movement work, but practical task execution requires world models, not LLMs, which lack sufficient investment.
  • AI Gadget Confusion: Companies flood CES with AI wearables, smart glasses, and companion devices without defining clear use cases beyond existing phones. Lenovo, Razer, and others ship AI glasses and desk bots, but manufacturers admit consumers buy based on battery life and performance, not AI features, creating market confusion.
  • Matter Protocol Success: Thread and Matter standards enable small startups to ship smart home sensors and devices that interoperate across ecosystems without manufacturer lock-in. This shifts competition from walled gardens to product quality, though platforms still resist sharing room configuration data between Google Assistant and Alexa.
  • Battery Life Priority: Manufacturers prioritize battery longevity over specs after observing Apple Silicon laptops lasting full days. Motorola ships smartwatches with thirteen-day battery, tracking tags with extended life, and even RV trailers that charge EV trucks while towing, responding to decade-long consumer demand for endurance over thinness.
  • Furniture-Integrated Tech: IKEA and others embed smart home technology into normal-looking furniture rather than creating gadget-forward designs. LEGO's smart brick and Samsung's art TVs exemplify hiding sensors and connectivity inside everyday objects, requiring Matter standards to enable cross-device intelligence without visible tech aesthetic.

Notable Moment

Dell's product chief admitted consumers don't buy computers based on AI capabilities, stating AI confuses buyers more than helping them understand outcomes. This candid acknowledgment reveals the industry's AI branding push has failed to drive sales despite massive marketing investment.

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Episode Transcript

Support for the show comes from L'Oreal Group, the global beauty leader, defining the future of beauty through science and technology. L'Oreal Group, create the beauty that moves the world. Live from the Brooklyn Bowl at the Consumer Electronics Show in Sin City, Las Vegas, Nevada. It's the Vergecast presented by L'Oreal Group. Please welcome to the stage your Verge editor in chief, Nilay Patel, and editor at large, Davis Pierce. Welcome to the Vergecast, the flagship podcast of things about the height of your ankle that run around on every surface of your house. I'm your friend David Pierce. Neil O'Pseil is here. Dogs? Is cats? Who's to say? Have you seen the AI video of the cat doing the crip walk dance? Oh, what? It's all over my feeds. It might be the most important story at CES. Do you realize that almost every episode of this show, at some point, you ask me if I've seen an AI video of something now? This is all we do here. Anyway, we're here at CES at the Brooklyn Bowl doing this live. Thank you to everybody who's here. Yeah. Very good. This is the greatest day of my life. That's it. That's the first cast. Pretty good. I have nothing left. So we we did a show, you and I, on Monday afternoon. Yeah. We it came out on Tuesday, going through a bunch of this sort of early announcements of the show. And since then, we've both come to Vegas. We've We've both gotten to be out on the show floor. We've taken some meetings. We've done some stuff. I first wanna know this is your, what, 15 plus CEOs? 16 or 17, I wanna say. It's a long time. Do you feel like you're good at it now? I have a lot of feelings about Las Vegas. Sure. See, this is a weird one. This is a weird show. I don't know if you had caught the same vibe. Like, Samsung doesn't have a booth. They have a private booth in the Venetian. Mhmm. All all of the stuff on the show floor is sadder than it was before, in, like, very meaningful ways. And then we're gonna talk about just the enormous amount of components you can buy on the show floor. Like, just acres of lenses and actuators as far as the eye can see. And it's very much the consumer electronics of the show are not happening at the show. They're happening in meeting booths and hotel rooms and all that sort of stuff. It's just a very different vibe than it's ever been. I remain convinced Las Vegas is the only city in the world where you can just walk out of a building and say, I would like to be in the largest limo you can find me. And someone will be like, yeah. I can do that for you. And that is truly, I think, America's major contribution to the world. …

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Tools

  • Thread and Matter standards enable small startups to ship smart home sensors and devices that interoperate across ecosystems
  • Thread and Matter standards enable small startups to ship smart home sensors and devices that interoperate across ecosystems

Products

  • by LG

    LG's Cloyd robot failed to fold towels in demos, illustrating that balance and movement work
  • by Samsung

    LEGO's smart brick and Samsung's art TVs exemplify hiding sensors and connectivity inside everyday objects
  • by Lego

    LEGO's smart brick and Samsung's art TVs exemplify hiding sensors and connectivity inside everyday objects

company

  • Dell's product chief admitted consumers don't buy computers based on AI capabilities
  • Chinese manufacturing enables companies like SwitchBot and Agibox to produce humanoid robots and complex hardware at scale
  • Lenovo, Razer, and others ship AI glasses and desk bots
  • IKEA and others embed smart home technology into normal-looking furniture
  • platforms still resist sharing room configuration data between Google Assistant and Alexa
  • Lenovo, Razer, and others ship AI glasses and desk bots
  • Motorola ships smartwatches with thirteen-day battery, tracking tags with extended life
  • Manufacturers prioritize battery longevity over specs after observing Apple Silicon laptops lasting full days

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