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Ben McKenzie vs. crypto

80 min episode · 3 min read
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Ben Mckenzie,V Song

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80 min

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3 min

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Health & Wellness, Startups, Fundraising & VC

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Key Takeaways

  • Crypto's structural flaw: Cryptocurrency claims to replace human trust with computer code, but code is written by people — making "trustless money" a logical contradiction. Sam Bankman-Fried demonstrated this by instructing a lieutenant to change one line of FTX source code, allowing Alameda Research to steal customer funds. The "decentralized" system was centralized by a single person's decision.
  • El Salvador as proof of failure: Bitcoin's only real-world test as national currency collapsed in El Salvador, where remittances constitute 25% of GDP. Despite being the ideal use case for cheap cross-border transfers, Bitcoin handled under 1% of remittances. Merchants refused Bitcoin payments, and the promised Bitcoin City in eastern El Salvador was never built — exposing the narrative as constructed for Western crypto holders.
  • Crypto's two actual use cases: A crypto industry report estimated $150 billion in illegal activity was facilitated by cryptocurrency in 2024 — and that figure comes from a crypto company, suggesting it may be conservative. Documented criminal uses include Russian oligarchs selling sanctioned oil via crypto, North Korean hackers funding roughly half that nation's nuclear weapons program, and Jeffrey Epstein secretly funding Bitcoin development through MIT Media Lab in 2015.
  • CGM accuracy limitations for nondiabetics: Continuous glucose monitors measure interstitial fluid, not blood glucose directly, and sleeping on one side compresses interstitial fluid, producing false readings. A study giving nondiabetic CGM data to 18 expert endocrinologists produced zero consensus on interpretation. No peer-reviewed standards exist for nondiabetic glucose ranges, meaning consumer CGM apps deliver medical-looking data without clinical validation behind it.
  • Health data and disordered eating risk: V Song documented skipping food at social events, purchasing a kitchen scale, memorizing plate weights, and calculating post-meal walk durations to offset glucose spikes — behaviors her therapist identified as early disordered eating markers. Research confirms CGMs exacerbate symptoms in people with existing disordered eating, a population that disproportionately includes athletes and women, two groups heavily targeted by metabolism-optimization marketing.

What It Covers

Actor-turned-crypto-critic Ben McKenzie discusses his documentary *Everyone Is Lying to You for Money*, explaining why cryptocurrency fails as money, enables crime, and persists through political manipulation. Verge reviewer V Song details 18 months testing continuous glucose monitors, documenting how consumer health data devices triggered disordered eating patterns and health anxiety in nondiabetic users.

Key Questions Answered

  • Crypto's structural flaw: Cryptocurrency claims to replace human trust with computer code, but code is written by people — making "trustless money" a logical contradiction. Sam Bankman-Fried demonstrated this by instructing a lieutenant to change one line of FTX source code, allowing Alameda Research to steal customer funds. The "decentralized" system was centralized by a single person's decision.
  • El Salvador as proof of failure: Bitcoin's only real-world test as national currency collapsed in El Salvador, where remittances constitute 25% of GDP. Despite being the ideal use case for cheap cross-border transfers, Bitcoin handled under 1% of remittances. Merchants refused Bitcoin payments, and the promised Bitcoin City in eastern El Salvador was never built — exposing the narrative as constructed for Western crypto holders.
  • Crypto's two actual use cases: A crypto industry report estimated $150 billion in illegal activity was facilitated by cryptocurrency in 2024 — and that figure comes from a crypto company, suggesting it may be conservative. Documented criminal uses include Russian oligarchs selling sanctioned oil via crypto, North Korean hackers funding roughly half that nation's nuclear weapons program, and Jeffrey Epstein secretly funding Bitcoin development through MIT Media Lab in 2015.
  • CGM accuracy limitations for nondiabetics: Continuous glucose monitors measure interstitial fluid, not blood glucose directly, and sleeping on one side compresses interstitial fluid, producing false readings. A study giving nondiabetic CGM data to 18 expert endocrinologists produced zero consensus on interpretation. No peer-reviewed standards exist for nondiabetic glucose ranges, meaning consumer CGM apps deliver medical-looking data without clinical validation behind it.
  • Health data and disordered eating risk: V Song documented skipping food at social events, purchasing a kitchen scale, memorizing plate weights, and calculating post-meal walk durations to offset glucose spikes — behaviors her therapist identified as early disordered eating markers. Research confirms CGMs exacerbate symptoms in people with existing disordered eating, a population that disproportionately includes athletes and women, two groups heavily targeted by metabolism-optimization marketing.
  • Political entanglement shapes health tech features: RFK Jr. announced a major HHS advertising campaign positioning wearables as central to the MAHA agenda, while surgeon general nominee Casey Means cofounded CGM startup Levels and claims metabolism optimization prevents cancer. Oura Ring is simultaneously lobbying for a new "digital screener" FDA classification to reduce regulatory requirements, meaning Washington policy directly shapes which health features reach consumers and under what oversight.

Notable Moment

V Song discovered she had mild fatty liver disease only after CGM data alarmed her enough to demand an ultrasound her doctor initially resisted ordering. After 18 months of testing, medication prescribed for the underlying metabolic condition caused such severe side effects that she lost the ability to run more than one mile — her primary mental health outlet.

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Episode Transcript

Welcome to the Vergecast, the flagship podcast of number go up and also down. I'm your friend David Pierce, and I am sitting in my backyard on sprinkler duty. So a thing you've probably already guessed about me given my entire deal is that I'm not good at keeping plants alive. I can't remember how tall the grass is supposed to be when you mow it. I don't exactly know which of my plants is which and how often I'm supposed to water any of them, But we had some work done on the backyard this weekend. They they put down some sod. They made the backyard bigger. It all looks great. I'm very excited about it. And the guy gave me a speech where he was like, David, you have to water this thing like you would not believe for the next ten days. So for the next ten days, I I live out here in the backyard just moving sprinklers around. This is apparently what I do now. Anyway, we have a really fun show coming up. First, we're gonna talk to Ben McKenzie, who is an actor and author, and you might know him as Ryan Atwood from The OC. He just made a documentary called Everyone is Lying to You for Money about kind of his descent into the crypto world and sort of his own descent into madness as a result. It's a really fun documentary with a lot of really interesting reporting and lessons about crypto. So he came on the show to talk about how he feels about crypto now. Then The Verge's V Song is gonna come on and talk about her, I think, eighteen month journey testing continuous glucose monitors and actually kind of her own descent into madness. We're doing descents into madness here on The Vergecast today while I sit and descend into madness moving sprinklers around. We also have a really fun hotline, really fun show today. All of that is coming up in just a second, but first, I'm I'm dead serious. My phone reminder just went off, and I have to go move the sprinkler. This is The Vergecast. We'll be right back. Support for the show comes from MongoDB. If you're a developer stuck fixing bottlenecks, instead of building the next big thing, then you need MongoDB. MongoDB is the flexible, unified platform that gets out of your way. It's ACID compliant, enterprise ready, and built to ship AI apps fast. It's trusted by so many of the Fortune 500 for a reason. Ask any developer. It's a great freaking database. Start building at mongodb.com/build. USAA knows dynamic duos can save the day, like superheroes and sidekicks or auto and home insurance. With USAA, you can bundle your auto and home and save up to 10%. Tap the banner to learn more and get a quote at usaa.com/bundle. Restrictions apply. No one goes to Hank's for spreadsheets. They go for a darn good pizza. Lately …

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  • surgeon general nominee Casey Means cofounded CGM startup Levels and claims metabolism optimization prevents cancer.

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  • Verge reviewer V Song details 18 months testing continuous glucose monitors, documenting how consumer health data devices triggered disordered eating patterns and health anxiety in nondiabetic users.
  • Oura Ring is simultaneously lobbying for a new "digital screener" FDA classification to reduce regulatory requirements, meaning Washington policy directly shapes which health features reach consumers and under what oversight.

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  • Actor-turned-crypto-critic Ben McKenzie discusses his documentary *Everyone Is Lying to You for Money*, explaining why cryptocurrency fails as money, enables crime, and persists through political manipulation.

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