#380 ‒ The seed oil debate: are they uniquely harmful relative to other dietary fats? | Layne Norton, Ph.D.

Hey, everyone. Welcome to the Drive podcast. I'm your host, Peter Attia. This podcast, my website, and my weekly newsletter all focus on the goal of translating the science of longevity into something accessible for everyone. Our goal is to provide the best content in health and wellness, and we've established a great team of analysts to make this happen. It is extremely important to me to provide all of this content without relying on paid ads. To do this, our work is made entirely possible by our members. And in return, we offer exclusive member only content and benefits above and beyond what is available for free. If you want to take your knowledge of this space to the next level, it's our goal to ensure members get back much more than the price of the subscription. If you want to learn more about the benefits of our premium membership, head over to peteratiamd.com forward slash subscribe. My guest this week is Layne Norton. Layne is a nutrition scientist and accomplished power athlete and a very evidence based thinker in the space of diet and metabolic health. And while Lane's been on the podcast many times, today's episode is a little bit different from sort of the usual podcast dynamic. Now originally, this was supposed to be our first in a series that we've been toying with, which is kind of a debate episode. I've talked about these a little bit on other podcasts, but the long and short of it is I wanted to do a debate that was going to be incredibly rigorous. In fairness, I've never really seen a podcast debate that was anything other than nonsense, if I'm being blunt. And the reason is the format is basically impossible because people can make up anything they want. They can cite anything they want out of context, and no human has the capacity to know the entire body of literature upfront, and therefore, it's very difficult to counter claims regardless of whatever the topic of discussion is. I've just never found this appealing. And so over the past year, we've been sort of noodling this idea of, well, what if we ran a debate like a court case? And, of course, in a court case, everybody has to sort of present their evidence upfront during a process called discovery, and that allows both sides to view the evidence of the opposing arguments along with their own arguments in equal time. That way, there's no ambiguity about what's being presented. We came up with an idea, which was we were gonna start with this first topic, which is to be the seed oil debate, which I'll clarify a little bit more in a moment. And the idea was we'll take two very thoughtful individuals who have opposing views, and we did just that. So Lane was on the side of the argument, which was that seed oils are not harmful. We had an individual who took the …