PEL Presents PMP#215: Hamnet Dramatizes Shakespeare
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64 min
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3 min
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Key Takeaways
- ✓Tragic Structure as Artistic Choice: Zhao structures *Hamnet* in five acts, mirroring Shakespearean tragedy deliberately. This means the film operates not through surprise but through "horrific inevitability" — the audience knows the destination from the opening scene. Understanding this framework shifts viewing from passive entertainment to active engagement with how tragedy functions as a form, making the emotional journey legible rather than arbitrary.
- ✓Historical Grief Misconception: The common assumption that pre-modern parents were emotionally detached from children due to high mortality rates is historically inaccurate. O'Farrell's research shows grief was equally devastating in the 16th century — what differs is the *public display* of grief, not the grief itself. Emotional culture suppressed visible mourning, leaving few records, which scholars misread as emotional absence rather than cultural constraint.
- ✓Interior Narrative vs. Film Adaptation: O'Farrell's novel is heavily interior, with minimal dialogue, centering Agnes rather than Shakespeare — the novel never names Shakespeare directly. Zhao's adaptation solves the challenge of externalizing interiority by giving Agnes a companion to speak with, converting internal monologue into dialogue. Readers of interior-heavy novels can apply this technique when considering how prose translates to visual storytelling.
- ✓Manipulation vs. Deliberate Discomfort: The debate over whether *Hamnet* is manipulative or purposefully uncomfortable reveals a useful critical distinction. Films that linger on grief — forcing audiences to sit with prolonged suffering — differ from cheap emotional shortcuts like swelling music or off-screen death announcements. The question is whether discomfort serves the thesis or substitutes for craft, a distinction applicable when evaluating any emotionally demanding film or narrative work.
- ✓Shakespeare's Biographical Blank Slate: Because so little documented evidence exists about Shakespeare's life, biographical films project freely onto him. *Shakespeare in Love* portrays Anne Hathaway as a cold shrew; *All is True* invents an alternate cause for Hamnet's death; *Hamnet* recenters Agnes as the protagonist with agency. Audiences engaging with Shakespeare biography should treat all such works as speculative fiction shaped by the filmmaker's contemporary concerns rather than historical reconstruction.
What It Covers
Four hosts from Pretty Much Pop analyze Chloe Zhao's film *Hamnet*, based on Maggie O'Farrell's 2020 novel, examining how the story of Shakespeare's son's death from plague becomes a meditation on grief, Shakespearean tragic structure, and the relationship between lived human loss and dramatic art, alongside broader discussion of Shakespeare biography films.
Key Questions Answered
- •Tragic Structure as Artistic Choice: Zhao structures *Hamnet* in five acts, mirroring Shakespearean tragedy deliberately. This means the film operates not through surprise but through "horrific inevitability" — the audience knows the destination from the opening scene. Understanding this framework shifts viewing from passive entertainment to active engagement with how tragedy functions as a form, making the emotional journey legible rather than arbitrary.
- •Historical Grief Misconception: The common assumption that pre-modern parents were emotionally detached from children due to high mortality rates is historically inaccurate. O'Farrell's research shows grief was equally devastating in the 16th century — what differs is the *public display* of grief, not the grief itself. Emotional culture suppressed visible mourning, leaving few records, which scholars misread as emotional absence rather than cultural constraint.
- •Interior Narrative vs. Film Adaptation: O'Farrell's novel is heavily interior, with minimal dialogue, centering Agnes rather than Shakespeare — the novel never names Shakespeare directly. Zhao's adaptation solves the challenge of externalizing interiority by giving Agnes a companion to speak with, converting internal monologue into dialogue. Readers of interior-heavy novels can apply this technique when considering how prose translates to visual storytelling.
- •Manipulation vs. Deliberate Discomfort: The debate over whether *Hamnet* is manipulative or purposefully uncomfortable reveals a useful critical distinction. Films that linger on grief — forcing audiences to sit with prolonged suffering — differ from cheap emotional shortcuts like swelling music or off-screen death announcements. The question is whether discomfort serves the thesis or substitutes for craft, a distinction applicable when evaluating any emotionally demanding film or narrative work.
- •Shakespeare's Biographical Blank Slate: Because so little documented evidence exists about Shakespeare's life, biographical films project freely onto him. *Shakespeare in Love* portrays Anne Hathaway as a cold shrew; *All is True* invents an alternate cause for Hamnet's death; *Hamnet* recenters Agnes as the protagonist with agency. Audiences engaging with Shakespeare biography should treat all such works as speculative fiction shaped by the filmmaker's contemporary concerns rather than historical reconstruction.
- •Shakespeare Performed vs. Read: The debate over subtitles and reading Shakespeare versus hearing it performed surfaces a practical insight: Shakespeare's original audiences were largely illiterate, had no scripts, and still found the plays enormously successful. This means emotional clarity in performance — conveyed through acting, not word-for-word comprehension — was always the primary vehicle. Modern viewers struggling with Shakespeare should prioritize live or filmed performance over text as a first point of entry.
Notable Moment
One host described sobbing through the film while simultaneously feeling angry at the filmmakers for producing that response — a rare articulation of the paradox where emotional manipulation succeeds technically but alienates the viewer morally, raising the question of whether effectiveness alone justifies a filmmaker's methods when the audience feels coerced rather than moved.
Episode Transcript
This episode is sponsored by Claude, the AI for minds that don't stop at good enough. This is pretty much pop, a culture podcast, not in the stars to hold our destinies, but in ourselves. Today, we're discussing Chloe Zhao's Oscar nominated film Hamnet based on the 2020 novel by Maggie O'Farrell in the context of media about Shakespeare's biography. This is Mark Linsonmeier. Hey. Hey. Hey. Out. Out. Out, down spot. Wow. This is Al Baker, and there is no movie either good or bad, but thinking makes it so. I'm Sarah Lynn Breck. Hey, Mark. I have a question for you. Where does a pig land after it's been shot out of a cannon? Where, Sarah? Hamnet. I'll just see myself out. That is one of the worst jokes I've ever heard in my entire life. Oh, you have no idea. Unbelievably bad. This is Lawrence where he mostly devastated, and I do mean devastated in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma. It was a moving end to the film. I think this is a film where that tells you what's gonna happen right at the beginning. It doesn't tell you exactly, like, that that's gonna be the final scene, and I wasn't sure. I actually did get through the book. We had a little extra time, so I listened to the audio of the book. And it's not exactly the same final scene, but it's still the whole thing is about Shakespeare's son dying and then how Hamlet, the play, was written later. So you would maybe expect that some of the end would be from the play. Mhmm. I wouldn't necessarily expect that it would be just a straight, rather lengthy reading from the play and that it would be so emotionally devastating given the context. Mhmm. I wanna take issue right away with you talking about the end is the source of emotional devastation because the whole thing It's so gutting. The entire movie is gutting. Mhmm. The after the first act and one of the first things I wanna say about about this movie, I didn't read the book, so I'm interested to know if the book is structured all the same way. But the movie comes in five acts and is structured as a tragedy, and that's smart just to begin with. Right. The end was not devastating. It was uplifting. If it had just Mhmm. Because, like, when the die chaotic in a way that tragedy Right. Needs to be. When the dying part is actually happening, I'm like, where is this goddamn thing going? And in fact, someone that I was watching it with, even before the dying started happening, left the theater because she was like, this is not for me, this is not This is not for you. It's just a big bummer. This is not a feel good historical romantic period drama. No. Well, this was sort of my idea. I read the book and it was a huge book. It …
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