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#1 Cybersecurity Expert Reveals: 5 Ways to Protect Yourself Online (Starting Tonight)

79 min episode · 3 min read
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Caitlin Sarian

Episode

79 min

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3 min

Topics

Relationships, Leadership, Marketing

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Key Takeaways

  • Password Security: Hackers run algorithms generating 10,000 variations of a single base password in seconds, exploiting the common habit of using one root word with minor changes like numbers or symbols. Identify your highest-priority accounts — banking, social media, retirement — and assign each a long, unique passphrase. Use iPhone's built-in password manager, or a dedicated app like 1Password or Keeper Security, and lock any password notes with Face ID.
  • Credit Freeze: Freezing your credit at all three bureaus takes five to ten minutes per bureau and costs nothing. It prevents identity thieves from opening accounts in your name even when your Social Security number is compromised in a data breach. Unfreeze only when applying for a loan or new card, then refreeze immediately. This single step is especially critical for elderly parents and grandparents who are frequent targets of identity theft schemes.
  • Data Minimization Online: People-search sites like WhitePages, TruePeopleSearch, and PeopleFinder publish home addresses, relatives' names, and even IP addresses publicly. Each site has a buried opt-out page accessible through its privacy policy. A deletion service called Incogni automates monthly opt-out requests across hundreds of data brokers internationally, continuously scrubbing personal information that reappears after removal, reducing the raw material scammers use to impersonate or extort individuals.
  • App Permission Audit: Instagram, Facebook, and TikTok actively scan camera rolls users have granted full photo access to, generating unsolicited content suggestions from unposted images. For every app, review three settings: camera access, microphone access, and location access. Set each to "while using" or "limit access to selected photos" rather than full permission. Precise location on Instagram defaults to on at installation and should be disabled immediately in settings.
  • Venmo Scam Mechanics: Scammers send money from stolen credit cards to random Venmo accounts, then message the recipient claiming it was a mistake and requesting a refund. The victim sends real money back, but the original stolen-card transaction gets reversed by the bank, leaving the victim out of pocket. The safest defense is avoiding Venmo and Zelle for transactions with strangers and using a credit card wherever possible, since credit cards offer stronger charge-reversal protections than debit-linked payment apps.

What It Covers

Cybersecurity expert Caitlin Sarian joins Mel Robbins to explain why every person with a smartphone is a target for online scams — the third largest economy globally — and delivers five concrete steps anyone can take immediately to protect passwords, credit, personal data, and family members from increasingly sophisticated digital threats.

Key Questions Answered

  • Password Security: Hackers run algorithms generating 10,000 variations of a single base password in seconds, exploiting the common habit of using one root word with minor changes like numbers or symbols. Identify your highest-priority accounts — banking, social media, retirement — and assign each a long, unique passphrase. Use iPhone's built-in password manager, or a dedicated app like 1Password or Keeper Security, and lock any password notes with Face ID.
  • Credit Freeze: Freezing your credit at all three bureaus takes five to ten minutes per bureau and costs nothing. It prevents identity thieves from opening accounts in your name even when your Social Security number is compromised in a data breach. Unfreeze only when applying for a loan or new card, then refreeze immediately. This single step is especially critical for elderly parents and grandparents who are frequent targets of identity theft schemes.
  • Data Minimization Online: People-search sites like WhitePages, TruePeopleSearch, and PeopleFinder publish home addresses, relatives' names, and even IP addresses publicly. Each site has a buried opt-out page accessible through its privacy policy. A deletion service called Incogni automates monthly opt-out requests across hundreds of data brokers internationally, continuously scrubbing personal information that reappears after removal, reducing the raw material scammers use to impersonate or extort individuals.
  • App Permission Audit: Instagram, Facebook, and TikTok actively scan camera rolls users have granted full photo access to, generating unsolicited content suggestions from unposted images. For every app, review three settings: camera access, microphone access, and location access. Set each to "while using" or "limit access to selected photos" rather than full permission. Precise location on Instagram defaults to on at installation and should be disabled immediately in settings.
  • Venmo Scam Mechanics: Scammers send money from stolen credit cards to random Venmo accounts, then message the recipient claiming it was a mistake and requesting a refund. The victim sends real money back, but the original stolen-card transaction gets reversed by the bank, leaving the victim out of pocket. The safest defense is avoiding Venmo and Zelle for transactions with strangers and using a credit card wherever possible, since credit cards offer stronger charge-reversal protections than debit-linked payment apps.
  • Nine-Second Rule Before Clicking: Phishing emails now replicate verified sender names, reference real employees, and mirror legitimate website language precisely. Before clicking any link, pause nine seconds — enough time to check whether the sender's actual email domain matches the real organization, hover over the link to preview the destination URL, and consider calling the organization directly instead. Cybersecurity expert Sarian's personal rule is to never click links in emails at all, calling the institution directly to handle any account action.

Notable Moment

Sarian reveals that AI tools can compile a detailed profile of any person within thirty seconds by scraping public data — including a target's dog's name sourced from a wedding registry gift label. This illustrates how seemingly harmless public posts collectively create exploitable intelligence that scammers use to answer security questions and impersonate victims convincingly.

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Episode Transcript

Hey. It's your friend, Mel, and welcome to the Mel Robbins podcast. Here's something I did that I'm not proud of, but I'm gonna tell you anyway. So yesterday, I got this pop up notification that said, update Apple settings. And you know what I did? Click. Ignore. Then I got another one from Zoom. And you know what I did? Click. Ignore. You ever do that? I mean, why do I need to update all this stuff all the time? Maybe you're a little bit like me in that way. You kind of accept all the cookies on every website. You share your location so Uber Eats can find you no matter when you're ordering. You grant camera access to apps so that you can use them. Duh. Well, our guest today, a cybersecurity expert told me that all these little things that I'm doing, and I know you do them too, they are making you and me an easy target for scammers. In fact, I bet you lock your door at night, but here you and I are leaving the door wide open for hackers to just walk right into our accounts. Now before I even get into this, I need to tell you something. I didn't think I needed to care about cybersecurity. I thought cybersecurity was something for, like, tech people or banks or corporations or governments. I didn't think it had anything to do with me and you. Then I met Caitlin Sarian, also known as cybersecurity girl, to the millions of people that follow her online. And she told me that all these little things that you and I do you know what we're doing? We are giving the keys to our accounts to hackers. They can get in less than thirty seconds. And I thought, oh my gosh. This isn't just a tech person's problem. This is everyone's problem. Caitlin has worked in cybersecurity consulting for over a decade. She's an award winning cybersecurity expert. At for example, she performed global cybersecurity awareness assessments across 20 key cyber sectors. At TikTok, she was the global lead of cybersecurity advocacy. And now, well, now Caitlin travels all over the world. She works with publicly traded companies consulting on compliance related to data, our data, and privacy laws. She's here to give you and me the step by step simple things that we need to do, that you need to do with your kids, that you need to do with your grandparents and your aging parents. She's gonna tell you the number one scam right now on Venmo. And if you don't hear about this, you're gonna fall for it. She's also gonna tell you the five simple things that you can do as soon as you're done listening or watching this that will protect you from 95% of the threats online. Caitlin says everyone, that means you, that means me, is an easy target to be scammed online because we were never taught how …

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  • People-search sites like WhitePages, TruePeopleSearch, and PeopleFinder publish home addresses, relatives' names, and even IP addresses publicly.
  • People-search sites like WhitePages, TruePeopleSearch, and PeopleFinder publish home addresses, relatives' names, and even IP addresses publicly.
  • IncogniRecommended
    A deletion service called Incogni automates monthly opt-out requests across hundreds of data brokers internationally, continuously scrubbing personal information that reappears after removal.
  • Instagram, Facebook, and TikTok actively scan camera rolls users have granted full photo access to, generating unsolicited content suggestions from unposted images.
  • by Apple

    Use iPhone's built-in password manager, or a dedicated app like 1Password or Keeper Security, and lock any password notes with Face ID.
  • Instagram, Facebook, and TikTok actively scan camera rolls users have granted full photo access to, generating unsolicited content suggestions from unposted images.
  • 1PasswordRecommended
    Use iPhone's built-in password manager, or a dedicated app like 1Password or Keeper Security, and lock any password notes with Face ID.
  • Instagram, Facebook, and TikTok actively scan camera rolls users have granted full photo access to, generating unsolicited content suggestions from unposted images.

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