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Aswath Damodaran on The AI Spending Spree: Bubble, Boom, or Both? | #619

61 min episode · 3 min read
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Aswath Damodaran

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61 min

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3 min

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Productivity, Investing, Startups

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Key Takeaways

  • AI CapEx Risk Assessment: When evaluating Mag Seven AI spending, focus on the financing section of earnings reports, not just CapEx announcements. Companies funding AI infrastructure through private credit rather than cash flows create systemic risk. If investments fail, losses ripple beyond shareholders into lenders. The Mag Seven currently have sufficient cash flows, but smaller AI infrastructure companies borrowing through private credit markets represent the real danger zone.
  • Reverse-Engineer Market Cap Validation: Before investing in trillion-dollar companies, calculate what revenue growth rate their current market cap requires, then ask whether the total addressable market can ever support that revenue figure. At December 2025 valuations, most Mag Seven companies required 15–20% sustained growth to justify their prices — plausible but at the outer limits of what already-scaled businesses can realistically deliver.
  • Implied Equity Risk Premium as Market Gauge: Damodaran calculates a monthly implied equity risk premium by back-solving from current stock prices what return investors are actually pricing in. At the start of 2026, that figure was approximately 8.4%, translating to a risk premium of roughly 4.1% — in line with the 75-year historical average. This suggests the market is not in bubble territory but is fully priced with no margin of safety for a messy global economic transition.
  • Innovator's Dilemma in Software: Established software companies like Salesforce and Oracle face a structural trap: AI can replicate their core functions at a fraction of the cost, but their high-margin existing businesses prevent them from fully pivoting. Investors should identify which software companies are actively cannibalizing their own products with lower-cost AI offerings versus those in denial — the former group represents the more viable long-term investment within the sector's ongoing selloff.
  • Big Market Delusion Pattern: Every major technological disruption produces collective overinvestment because multiple well-funded competitors each believe they will be the winner in a winner-take-all market. Damodaran states with confidence that the AI infrastructure buildout represents aggregate overinvestment — historically, two winners emerge while three or more large investors write off tens of billions. The danger is not that innovation fails, but that debt-financed losers create economy-wide contagion rather than contained shareholder losses.

What It Covers

NYU professor Aswath Damodaran analyzes the AI spending surge by Magnificent Seven companies, examining whether $600 billion in collective CapEx represents rational investment or dangerous overconfidence. He covers OpenAI's missing business model, software sector disruption, market trust erosion, sports franchise valuations, and why holding cash currently makes sense given richly priced equity markets.

Key Questions Answered

  • AI CapEx Risk Assessment: When evaluating Mag Seven AI spending, focus on the financing section of earnings reports, not just CapEx announcements. Companies funding AI infrastructure through private credit rather than cash flows create systemic risk. If investments fail, losses ripple beyond shareholders into lenders. The Mag Seven currently have sufficient cash flows, but smaller AI infrastructure companies borrowing through private credit markets represent the real danger zone.
  • Reverse-Engineer Market Cap Validation: Before investing in trillion-dollar companies, calculate what revenue growth rate their current market cap requires, then ask whether the total addressable market can ever support that revenue figure. At December 2025 valuations, most Mag Seven companies required 15–20% sustained growth to justify their prices — plausible but at the outer limits of what already-scaled businesses can realistically deliver.
  • Implied Equity Risk Premium as Market Gauge: Damodaran calculates a monthly implied equity risk premium by back-solving from current stock prices what return investors are actually pricing in. At the start of 2026, that figure was approximately 8.4%, translating to a risk premium of roughly 4.1% — in line with the 75-year historical average. This suggests the market is not in bubble territory but is fully priced with no margin of safety for a messy global economic transition.
  • Innovator's Dilemma in Software: Established software companies like Salesforce and Oracle face a structural trap: AI can replicate their core functions at a fraction of the cost, but their high-margin existing businesses prevent them from fully pivoting. Investors should identify which software companies are actively cannibalizing their own products with lower-cost AI offerings versus those in denial — the former group represents the more viable long-term investment within the sector's ongoing selloff.
  • Big Market Delusion Pattern: Every major technological disruption produces collective overinvestment because multiple well-funded competitors each believe they will be the winner in a winner-take-all market. Damodaran states with confidence that the AI infrastructure buildout represents aggregate overinvestment — historically, two winners emerge while three or more large investors write off tens of billions. The danger is not that innovation fails, but that debt-financed losers create economy-wide contagion rather than contained shareholder losses.
  • Business Model Before Scale: Companies scaling to near-trillion-dollar private valuations without articulating a coherent revenue model represent a structural risk. OpenAI's projected growth from $4 billion to $146 billion in revenue by 2029 requires a licensing or platform business model — not ChatGPT subscriptions — yet leadership has not defined that model publicly. Investors should treat any company at massive scale without a clear monetization narrative as uninvestable regardless of growth projections or market enthusiasm.

Notable Moment

Damodaran drew a sharp analogy between today's AI-era software companies and retail chains during the late 1990s e-commerce boom — both groups recognized the disruptive threat, both had too much to lose from fully embracing it, and both faced the same paralyzing conflict between protecting existing margins and adapting to survive long-term.

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Episode Transcript

Welcome to the Meb Faber show, where the focus is on helping you grow and preserve your wealth. Join us as we discuss the craft of investing and uncover new and profitable ideas, all to help you grow wealthier and wiser. Better investing starts here. Matt Faber is the cofounder and chief investment officer at Cambria Investment Management. Due to industry regulations, he will not discuss any of Cambria's funds on this podcast. All opinions expressed by podcast participants are solely their own opinions and do not the opinion of Cambria Investment Management or its affiliates. For more information, visit cambriainvestments.com. Welcome back, everybody. The last time this guest was on the show, he set the record of 600 episodes for the most downloaded episode ever. Today, we have my favorite professor, Aswath Damodaran, professor at NYU, where he teaches corporate finance, equity valuation. Professor, welcome back to the show. Thank you for having me. Well, last time you were here, which is a little over a year ago, so '24, I think we were talking a little bit about the rage, all the rage of the day, Mag seven. You said you own darn near all of them. And then 2025 came along. They all went up again. Some of them a little. Some of them a lot. I think Google may have may have taken the crown that year. I think Alphabet and Nvidia saved the Mag seven. So Tell us a little bit about after another big year. Are you still locked and loaded? Are you start starting to let go some of these guys? I have five of the seven. I mean, I did share two, and I think it might be worth talking about why. I shared my Tesla fair fairly early in the year. And I did it not because I thought they were massively overvalued. You can make an argument though, but that wasn't the reason. I I did it because I'm not particularly good at politics, and to me, Tesla became a political investment. For good or bad, I'm not taking sides here, but, essentially, when people think about whether they buy your car based on what their political standing is, you're in trouble as a business. And that to me was the reason I said, look. I've had a good run with Tesla, but this is not something I want in my portfolio struggling with who win the next election and what the effects will be. Nvidia, I've been shedding over time. I bought Nvidia in 2018, one of the better investments I've made in my lifetime at a dollar 80 on an adjust split adjusted basis. So along the way, I've taken my profits. And finally, in 2025, I unwound the rest of my Nvidia. So I've been selling in portions across the last three years. I sold my last portion. And there, my belief is that it's it the bulk of the the AI architecture wave NVIDIA is already …

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