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#2483 - Spencer Pratt

125 min episode · 3 min read
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Episode

125 min

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3 min

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Remote Work, Fundraising & VC, Leadership

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Key Takeaways

  • Reservoir negligence: The San Yanez Reservoir held 117 million gallons designated for wildfire suppression but was drained for over a year to repair a tear estimated at $120,000 to fix. A second nearby reservoir was simultaneously emptied and could not be refilled. Helicopters were forced to fly to Malibu and Encino for water, spending roughly 66% of flight time in transit rather than fighting the fire during the critical first six hours.
  • Fire department defunding pattern: Seven weeks before the Palisades fire, then-Fire Chief Crowley sent Mayor Karen Bass a memo stating the department was dangerously underfunded and could not keep residents safe. Bass responded by cutting an additional $17 million from the fire budget. Simultaneously, $400 million in allocated homeless funds sat untouched in city accounts, revealing a deliberate resource allocation pattern that prioritizes NGO-administered programs over direct public safety infrastructure.
  • NGO fraud mechanism: Federal prosecutors charged developer Steven Taylor after a $27.3 million taxpayer grant purchased a property he had bought for $11.2 million six days earlier — a $16 million gap with no public accounting. A confidentiality clause in the purchase contract concealed his involvement until federal charges were filed. The IRS Criminal Investigation team has confirmed it can open fraud cases on any NGO given a single document from the city, which current leadership refuses to provide.
  • Fire Aid charity diversion: The Fire Aid benefit concert raised over $100 million, distributed across 200-plus NGOs. Independent journalist Sue Pascoe spent months contacting every recipient organization and found no fire victims who received direct payments. The law firm defending Fire Aid acknowledged in its own filing that only "several" of the 200-plus organizations gave money directly to victims — with "several" legally defined as fewer than ten — confirming the bulk of charitable donations never reached displaced residents.
  • Homeless industrial complex incentive structure: Los Angeles has spent over $24 billion on homelessness with the population increasing under current leadership. NGO operators receive grants to acquire buildings plus approximately $1 million annually in operating fees with no requirement to maintain occupied beds. At $250,000 per person for tiny home placements, the per-unit cost could fund a full year of housing, job training, and treatment for each individual. Bureaucrats earning over $250,000 annually are structurally incentivized to grow, not solve, the problem.

What It Covers

Spencer Pratt, reality TV personality turned Los Angeles mayoral candidate, details his investigation into the January 2025 Palisades fires, exposing alleged criminal negligence behind two empty reservoirs, a $17 million fire department budget cut, a crisis PR firm hired to alter official reports, and a broader network of NGO fraud siphoning billions from homelessness funds across Los Angeles.

Key Questions Answered

  • Reservoir negligence: The San Yanez Reservoir held 117 million gallons designated for wildfire suppression but was drained for over a year to repair a tear estimated at $120,000 to fix. A second nearby reservoir was simultaneously emptied and could not be refilled. Helicopters were forced to fly to Malibu and Encino for water, spending roughly 66% of flight time in transit rather than fighting the fire during the critical first six hours.
  • Fire department defunding pattern: Seven weeks before the Palisades fire, then-Fire Chief Crowley sent Mayor Karen Bass a memo stating the department was dangerously underfunded and could not keep residents safe. Bass responded by cutting an additional $17 million from the fire budget. Simultaneously, $400 million in allocated homeless funds sat untouched in city accounts, revealing a deliberate resource allocation pattern that prioritizes NGO-administered programs over direct public safety infrastructure.
  • NGO fraud mechanism: Federal prosecutors charged developer Steven Taylor after a $27.3 million taxpayer grant purchased a property he had bought for $11.2 million six days earlier — a $16 million gap with no public accounting. A confidentiality clause in the purchase contract concealed his involvement until federal charges were filed. The IRS Criminal Investigation team has confirmed it can open fraud cases on any NGO given a single document from the city, which current leadership refuses to provide.
  • Fire Aid charity diversion: The Fire Aid benefit concert raised over $100 million, distributed across 200-plus NGOs. Independent journalist Sue Pascoe spent months contacting every recipient organization and found no fire victims who received direct payments. The law firm defending Fire Aid acknowledged in its own filing that only "several" of the 200-plus organizations gave money directly to victims — with "several" legally defined as fewer than ten — confirming the bulk of charitable donations never reached displaced residents.
  • Homeless industrial complex incentive structure: Los Angeles has spent over $24 billion on homelessness with the population increasing under current leadership. NGO operators receive grants to acquire buildings plus approximately $1 million annually in operating fees with no requirement to maintain occupied beds. At $250,000 per person for tiny home placements, the per-unit cost could fund a full year of housing, job training, and treatment for each individual. Bureaucrats earning over $250,000 annually are structurally incentivized to grow, not solve, the problem.
  • Arson and fire origin cover-up: A fire ignited on New Year's Eve at Skull Rock burned eight acres. Text messages obtained through litigation show park rangers and LAFD personnel joking about not deploying dozers due to protected milk vetch plant regulations. Drone thermal imaging captured smoldering hillside coal pockets for days afterward. Rangers then directed firefighters to cover the existing firebreak with dead brush to prevent trail confusion — eliminating the primary containment barrier days before the January 7 rekindling that destroyed over 7,000 homes.
  • IRS leverage strategy for mayoral accountability: The IRS Criminal Investigation team has met with Pratt three times in Los Angeles and twice in Washington, confirming it possesses evidence of fraud across city-contracted NGOs but cannot open cases without a single document from each organization — documents the current mayor's office withholds. A mayor willing to hand over those documents could trigger simultaneous federal investigations across dozens of organizations. Pratt's stated Day 1 action is delivering those documents, which he predicts would cause 95% of fraudulent NGOs to self-relocate immediately.

Notable Moment

After the Palisades fire destroyed his home, Pratt discovered that Mayor Bass's deputy mayor — the official designated to manage city emergencies in her absence during her Ghana trip — was simultaneously under house arrest for calling in a bomb threat to City Hall using a Google Voice app, citing frustration over the city's position on Israel. The deputy mayor received probation and a $5,000 fine.

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Episode Transcript

Joe Rogan podcast. Check it out. The Joe Rogan experience. Train by day. Joe Rogan podcast by night, all day. What's going on, mister mayor? I'm so thankful to be here. My pleasure. So first of all, how did this idea even get into your head of running for mayor in LA? To be clear, I never wanted to run for any political office or have anything to do with politicians. What happened was after spending a year uncovering how my house and my parents' house burned down and my neighbors burned alive and and 7,000 houses burned. And then I realized there's a a cover up going on, all the negligence, and I keep posting about it. And I have all the facts. I have all the whistleblowers. I have all the evidence and business as usual. And I see that nobody is stepping up to run against the mayor who's responsible for this disaster and so many other disasters. So it became to the point where I got so sick of just being a, as the younger people say in the comment section, a yapper. Like, I felt like I was just yapping. Like, making these videos. I'm telling the the truth. I'm Right. I got a congressional investigation. I went to Washington. I met with everyone possible that I could do as just a citizen. And I was like, okay. Well, game on now. I'm gonna go into your into your headquarters and just take your job and then remove all these toxic entities that are destroying our way of life in Los Angeles. So let's start from the fire. So the narrative was oh, my god. There was a lot of terrible, stupid, fake narratives, and one of them was climate change. That was the craziest fire. Look, I lived in LA for twenty nine, thirty years, whatever it was. And I guess it was yeah. Somewhere around there, maybe even more. Whatever it was. When I lived in LA, fire season happened every year. This is not climate change. This is not some new thing over the last couple of decades. I was evacuated three different times. I used to live in Bell Canyon and my neighbors. Three of the homes right across the right across the street from my house burnt to the ground in 2018. There there's always been fires in Los Angeles. But the lack of preparation for the Palisades fires was astonishing. The fact that the reservoir was empty was criminal mismanagement. I mean, it was just insanity that everybody knew that we had fires, like massive fires, that it was a dry place. And when the Santa Ana winds would blow, if something caught fire, it was a real problem. We had known that forever. And when you see all these people that are passing the buck and moving the blame. And then the fund, when they had that big charity thing for the fire and you found out that …

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