The Mid-Funnel is the Biggest Opportunity in Marketing
Episode
37 min
Read time
2 min
Topics
Career Growth, Productivity, Investing
AI-Generated Summary
Key Takeaways
- ✓Mid-Funnel Creative Validation: Never spend a dollar of paid media on creative that hasn't first been tested organically on social platforms. Algorithms on Meta, ByteDance, Snap, YouTube, and Google are built purely for relevance, meaning organic reach serves as a free, real-world focus group that eliminates guesswork before any working media budget is committed.
- ✓Live Social Shopping: Live social shopping is the single most significant emerging channel for any product-selling brand. China's market already generates $600 billion GMV annually. In the US, Whatnot and TikTok moved aggressively in 2025, with Meta reportedly entering the space. Brands that move early will gain competitive separation equivalent to early social media adoption in 2015.
- ✓UK Market Opportunity: The UK and European social media marketing landscape is significantly less competitive than the US, where creators like MrBeast and VC-backed startups dominate feeds. UK brands have a structural advantage right now, but the market remains over-invested in awards, vanity metrics, and production budgets that target audiences no longer inhabit.
- ✓CFO Over CMO Alignment: When pitching mid-funnel social investment internally, target CFOs rather than CMOs. GaryVee reports that CFOs consistently align within 45 minutes of seeing the model, while CMO culture remains attached to brand theater and unverifiable data. Showing existing budget waste on declining-ROI channels is the most effective entry point for the conversation.
- ✓Intentionality and Impact Framework: GaryVee's 2026 personal operating system involves defining tight intentionality frameworks per business unit and measuring impact explicitly against them. The content production strategy remains: create daily, post-produce with technology and people, identify which platforms fit each asset, validate organically, then amplify only proven creative with paid media spend.
What It Covers
GaryVee and Jon Evans discuss why organic social media — the mid-funnel — represents the largest untapped opportunity in marketing today. The conversation covers creative validation, live social shopping, UK versus US market gaps, hiring philosophy, and why marketers must challenge fake data in boardrooms to stay relevant.
Key Questions Answered
- •Mid-Funnel Creative Validation: Never spend a dollar of paid media on creative that hasn't first been tested organically on social platforms. Algorithms on Meta, ByteDance, Snap, YouTube, and Google are built purely for relevance, meaning organic reach serves as a free, real-world focus group that eliminates guesswork before any working media budget is committed.
- •Live Social Shopping: Live social shopping is the single most significant emerging channel for any product-selling brand. China's market already generates $600 billion GMV annually. In the US, Whatnot and TikTok moved aggressively in 2025, with Meta reportedly entering the space. Brands that move early will gain competitive separation equivalent to early social media adoption in 2015.
- •UK Market Opportunity: The UK and European social media marketing landscape is significantly less competitive than the US, where creators like MrBeast and VC-backed startups dominate feeds. UK brands have a structural advantage right now, but the market remains over-invested in awards, vanity metrics, and production budgets that target audiences no longer inhabit.
- •CFO Over CMO Alignment: When pitching mid-funnel social investment internally, target CFOs rather than CMOs. GaryVee reports that CFOs consistently align within 45 minutes of seeing the model, while CMO culture remains attached to brand theater and unverifiable data. Showing existing budget waste on declining-ROI channels is the most effective entry point for the conversation.
- •Intentionality and Impact Framework: GaryVee's 2026 personal operating system involves defining tight intentionality frameworks per business unit and measuring impact explicitly against them. The content production strategy remains: create daily, post-produce with technology and people, identify which platforms fit each asset, validate organically, then amplify only proven creative with paid media spend.
Notable Moment
GaryVee describes his first-ever agency meeting at Campbell Soup, where a PR firm claimed 80 trillion impressions by counting an entire publication's monthly traffic against a single buried article. Nobody challenged it — until he pointed to seven consecutive years of business decline on the final page.
Episode Transcript
There is no logic. If you understood what's happening in Meta and ByteDance and Snap and YouTube and Google, if you understood how these algorithms are written purely for relevance, the thing that we've been chasing to measure our whole lives. For a hundred years marketers like us, the bane of our existence has been trying to understand the creative before it goes into market. Focus groups, fake reports, politics amongst seven important people in a room. We've been struggling with this deep knowledge that we know which is if the creative isn't right we lost. I ask for a lot of you is take your hat off of being a corporate animal and understanding how your organization measures everything and put your human hat on and listen to it and understand it. There is literally no reason to waste marketing dollars anymore. We don't have to guess. Like do we really still have the audacity to think our subjective opinion on a thirty second video or a picture is gonna drive the business? Every single brand in here's biggest issue is not awareness, it's relevance. And if you're small and you need awareness, you can only get it through scaled relevance. This is the Gary Vee audio experience. This is an amazing opportunity to have you in the room, Gary. Thank you so much, mate, for doing this. Thank you so much everyone for being here, really. So I've got a few questions I wanna put to Gary. I had the honor of meeting him actually at the wine library, which was really special, man. I mean, it was it was kinda cool to see there because, like, I noticed when we finished filming, you were straight downstairs doing doing a wine review, and you were straight on the phone with, like, okay. Ring this number, everybody. Put your orders in. I wanted to start with an maybe an unusual question. Like, you you're obviously at the forefront of so much change and what's going on. Like, what hasn't changed? Have you put yourself back in your kind of wine library days? What hasn't changed that kind of has underpinned your success? You know, it's actually a fun one to start with, especially with this crowd. I'm I'm aware, even just had a quick interaction, that people think that a lot of mineour company's theories are maybe in contrast to what's been classically understood or known. The thing that has not changed is that relevance leads to consideration, leads to purchase. I think that is just so uncomfortably classic and so true. I think that where information is being consumed and how relevance is defined and how fragmented relevance actually is and always has been but the media landscape has changed enough for allowing us to all take advantage of it, That's different but what is tried and true, we did that podcast at my father's wine store where I kind of grew up and built and as soon …
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