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They’re Not Wrong (They’re Just Cut Off From Truth) | What Expensive Things Cost

7 min episode · 2 min read

Episode

7 min

Read time

2 min

Topics

Relationships, Psychology & Behavior, Philosophy & Wisdom

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Key Takeaways

  • Marcus Aurelius on ignorance: When people act foolishly or unkindly, Plato's framing—that their souls are involuntarily cut off from truth—reframes frustration into patience. Recognizing others as victims of limited perspective, not malicious actors, makes empathy the rational response.
  • Hidden cost accounting: Every material purchase carries costs beyond its price tag—anxiety, lost serenity, and relationship friction. Ryan's new floors triggered ongoing worry about scratches and arguments with his wife and children, making the true cost far exceed the installation bill.
  • Epictetus's lamp strategy: When his lamp was stolen, Epictetus replaced it with a cheaper one deliberately, eliminating future grief over loss or theft. Intentionally choosing lower-value possessions reduces the emotional overhead of ownership and protects mental bandwidth.
  • Entropy acceptance as happiness practice: Attempting to preserve possessions in pristine condition violates what a therapist framed as mentally "writing off" the expense at purchase. Resisting inevitable wear redirects finite time and attention away from relationships and personal wellbeing toward futile preservation.

What It Covers

Ryan Holiday draws on Marcus Aurelius, Seneca, and Epictetus to explore two Stoic principles: extending patience toward misguided people and recognizing that material possessions carry hidden costs beyond their price tags.

Key Questions Answered

  • Marcus Aurelius on ignorance: When people act foolishly or unkindly, Plato's framing—that their souls are involuntarily cut off from truth—reframes frustration into patience. Recognizing others as victims of limited perspective, not malicious actors, makes empathy the rational response.
  • Hidden cost accounting: Every material purchase carries costs beyond its price tag—anxiety, lost serenity, and relationship friction. Ryan's new floors triggered ongoing worry about scratches and arguments with his wife and children, making the true cost far exceed the installation bill.
  • Epictetus's lamp strategy: When his lamp was stolen, Epictetus replaced it with a cheaper one deliberately, eliminating future grief over loss or theft. Intentionally choosing lower-value possessions reduces the emotional overhead of ownership and protects mental bandwidth.
  • Entropy acceptance as happiness practice: Attempting to preserve possessions in pristine condition violates what a therapist framed as mentally "writing off" the expense at purchase. Resisting inevitable wear redirects finite time and attention away from relationships and personal wellbeing toward futile preservation.

Notable Moment

Ryan describes how his therapist reframed possession anxiety: once money is spent, mentally treat it as gone entirely. Clinging to pristine condition is not financial prudence—it actively trades happiness and relationships for an unwinnable battle against time.

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Episode Transcript

Welcome to the Daily Stoic Podcast designed to help bring those four key stoic virtues, courage, discipline, justice, and wisdom into the real world. They're not wrong. They're just cut off from truth. They don't know. You understand that. Right? They're not aware that they've fallen for a scam. They don't know that they've been taken down a rabbit hole. They don't realize that things are more complicated than they think, that there's more information that they haven't seen, that their perspective is being warped. In Meditations, Marcus Aurelius, no doubt exposed to the same ignorant and frustrating or strange people that exist today, tries to remind himself by quoting Plato that against their will, their souls are cut off from truth. This is why people do things that are unkind or stupid or against their self interest, because it doesn't seem that way to them. No. They're in the sway of a demagogue. They're limited by their education. They haven't had, as the famous opening line from The Great Gatsby reminds us, all the advantages that you've had. By the way, there's a new 100 year anniversary edition I've been reading, and I love it. This is not without its consequences to you or to society, but it doesn't change the fact that these people are victims, that they are not this way on purpose. And when you keep this in mind, Marx really says it will make you more patient with other people. Besides, haven't you been wrong before? Haven't you done stuff that in retrospect seems dumb or weird? Of course, you have. But you didn't think that at the time. And guess what else? People were largely patient with you, and you were afforded a certain amount of grace, or you wouldn't have gotten to where you are now. So let's extend that same patience and empathy to others. It is only fair. I know it's not good for me to just run. I need it for my mental health, but it takes a toll on me physically, and I need to mix it up. So one of the things I'm trying to work on this year is doing more diverse kinds of workouts and specifically doing more strength training. And that's where today's sponsor comes in. Tonal provides the convenience of a full gym and the guidance of a personal trainer anytime at home with their one sleek system. Designed to reduce your mental load, Tonal is the ultimate strength training system, helping you focus less on workout planning and more on getting results. Plus, there's no more second guessing on your form. Tonal gives you real time coaching cues to dial in your form, which I need a lot of help on, and it helps you lift safely and effectively. Plus, Tonal sets the optimal weight for every move and then adjusts it. Makes a tiny bit harder each time in one pound increments as you go and as you get stronger. Right? So …

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