How Iranians See the War
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36 min
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Relationships, Leadership, Software Development
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Key Takeaways
- ✓Communication blackout as a control mechanism: The Iranian government cut off approximately 99% of internet access within days of the war starting, effectively isolating the country from the outside world. Reaching Iranians required finding the remaining 1% using VPNs or satellite tools like Starlink. Journalists and families alike went days without contact, demonstrating how information blackouts function as a primary regime defense tool.
- ✓Protest exhaustion after mass casualties: Iranians who opposed the regime largely did not heed Trump's call to take to the streets, not from indifference but from documented trauma. A January crackdown on nationwide protests resulted in an estimated 7,000 deaths according to one human rights organization, with security forces firing on crowds from rooftops. This history of lethal suppression makes street protest a calculated risk most survivors refuse to repeat.
- ✓Incremental civilian resistance as a long-term change strategy: Translator and musician Af pursued reform through small, deliberate acts — altering her marriage contract to include divorce rights, gradually abandoning the hijab, and staging a private solo concert for 80 attendees despite laws banning women from solo public performance. Her framework: shift cultural norms person by person rather than confront the regime directly, measuring progress in inches of clothing and changed attitudes among taxi drivers.
- ✓War's civilian cost undermines its stated liberation goals: By the ceasefire, the US-Israel bombardment had destroyed factories, schools, hospitals, and homes across Iran, leaving over one million people unemployed and killing more than 1,700 civilians. For Iranians like C's wife, this toll directly contradicted the liberation narrative, creating household-level conflict between those who viewed war as necessary and those who blamed protest culture for provoking the violence.
- ✓Divided Iranian diaspora reflects irreconcilable strategies: C, stranded in Europe while his family remained in Tehran, represents Iranians who view external military intervention as the only remaining path after protests failed. Af, who returned to Tehran from Turkey before the ceasefire, represents those who believe foreign intervention destroys the internal cultural progress that makes lasting reform possible. Both positions stem from the same lived experience of regime brutality but reach opposite strategic conclusions.
What It Covers
NYT reporter Clare Toeniskoetter contacts nearly 100 Iranians during a 99% internet blackout following the US-Israel joint military operation against Iran. Through two contrasting voices — a regime opponent who fled to Europe and a feminist translator in Tehran — the episode maps how decades of protest, repression, and survival shape Iranian perspectives on war and change.
Key Questions Answered
- •Communication blackout as a control mechanism: The Iranian government cut off approximately 99% of internet access within days of the war starting, effectively isolating the country from the outside world. Reaching Iranians required finding the remaining 1% using VPNs or satellite tools like Starlink. Journalists and families alike went days without contact, demonstrating how information blackouts function as a primary regime defense tool.
- •Protest exhaustion after mass casualties: Iranians who opposed the regime largely did not heed Trump's call to take to the streets, not from indifference but from documented trauma. A January crackdown on nationwide protests resulted in an estimated 7,000 deaths according to one human rights organization, with security forces firing on crowds from rooftops. This history of lethal suppression makes street protest a calculated risk most survivors refuse to repeat.
- •Incremental civilian resistance as a long-term change strategy: Translator and musician Af pursued reform through small, deliberate acts — altering her marriage contract to include divorce rights, gradually abandoning the hijab, and staging a private solo concert for 80 attendees despite laws banning women from solo public performance. Her framework: shift cultural norms person by person rather than confront the regime directly, measuring progress in inches of clothing and changed attitudes among taxi drivers.
- •War's civilian cost undermines its stated liberation goals: By the ceasefire, the US-Israel bombardment had destroyed factories, schools, hospitals, and homes across Iran, leaving over one million people unemployed and killing more than 1,700 civilians. For Iranians like C's wife, this toll directly contradicted the liberation narrative, creating household-level conflict between those who viewed war as necessary and those who blamed protest culture for provoking the violence.
- •Divided Iranian diaspora reflects irreconcilable strategies: C, stranded in Europe while his family remained in Tehran, represents Iranians who view external military intervention as the only remaining path after protests failed. Af, who returned to Tehran from Turkey before the ceasefire, represents those who believe foreign intervention destroys the internal cultural progress that makes lasting reform possible. Both positions stem from the same lived experience of regime brutality but reach opposite strategic conclusions.
Notable Moment
Af celebrated the Ayatollah's death by dancing alone in her apartment — then immediately packed her car and fled the country she loves. She opposed the war entirely, not because she supported the regime, but because she believed destruction undoes the slow cultural progress she had spent decades building from within.
Episode Transcript
The opinions podcast from New York Times Opinion, bringing you a mix of conversations and new ideas, featuring the voices of our writers and columnists. To me, the single most underestimated force in international relations is actually stupidity. Including Jamelle Bouie. Trustee McMillan Cottom. Michelle Goldberg. Thomas Friedman. And many more. Find the opinions wherever you get your podcasts. From The New York Times, I'm Rachel Abrams, and this is The Daily. Since the war with Iran began, president Trump has gone from urging Iranians to take cover and protect themselves to threatening to annihilate them. But with the ceasefire set to expire this week, very little has been heard from the Iranian people themselves. Today, my colleague Claire Tenascatter speaks to Iranians about how they view this war. It's Tuesday, April 21. To the great proud people of Iran, I say tonight that the hour of your freedom is at hand. The day The US and Israel launched its joint military operation against Iran, president Trump posted a video on Trusocial. When we are finished, take over your government. It will be yours to take. This will be probably your only chance for generations. He urged the Iranian people to rise up against the government. Now is the time to seize control of your destiny and to unleash the prosperous and glorious future that is close within your reach. This is the moment for action. Do not let it pass. But then bombs started to fall. People did not rise up. And so I wondered, what did Iranians think of this new war and the president's call to action? So I started reaching out to them. In the first days of the war, I sent nearly a 100 messages, mostly to residents of Tehran, the site of some of the heaviest bombing. Still, I heard nothing. I could see most of my messages weren't even being opened. It wasn't that people didn't want to talk. They couldn't. Not only is it extremely dangerous for Iranians to speak to an American journalist, phone calls could be monitored by the regime. Iran has been in the dark for days forced into a near total internet blackout. But the bigger problem was a communication blackout. Days have passed without word from family and friends. The Iranian government had effectively cut off the country from the rest of the world. The number I kept seeing was 99%. 99% of Iranians who normally had access to the Internet now didn't. I was trying to reach the remaining 1%. These would be people with workarounds like VPNs or enough money to afford satellite communications like Starlink that could get them online for even just a few minutes. And then, almost a week into the war, my colleagues and I got a few replies. Hello? Some of them only had enough internet to send text messages. Week since war started from the But others were able to send short voice memos. I am in my own …
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