217: Half a Job You Love

Hello, sir. Good morning. Good morning. How you doing? I'm doing well. How are you? Doing well. Happy Tuesday. Happy Tuesday to you. So we have, mister Aaron Francis on today. Tuples' first and only marketing engineer. That's right. Thanks for having me. I am, I'm continuing the streak of not Derek, and I'm honored to be here. Yeah. I'm I'm stoked to have you here. There's probably some overlap in people that know me and us, like, this podcast and you, I think. Because you are you're sort of, I feel like you're Capri Laravel famous. I I am in the same kind of circle on the Internet as you are. So there are probably some people that know me, but I feel like you're historically on the Ruby side, and I'm in the on the Laravel side. So might not be quite as much crossover. Yeah. I think someday I wanna make my, like, glorious return to the Ruby side and just be like, I am now a Ruby programmer again. This is all I this is what I'm doing. Let's talk about code. Yeah. I think someday you might wanna go back to individual contributor, but we'll see. Yeah. I think yeah. I think I think that would be, like, my retirement. I'll retire into just thinking about how do I refactor this to make it more beautiful? Yeah. I saw Adam recently treated something about, you know, second time founder, third time founder. I think your second or third time founder is gonna be, I am back to Ruby, back to Vim, and this is where I belong. So we'll see. It could be. It could be. I'm talking to Alex McCaw in a couple weeks, founder of Clearbit. And then so he which is a VC backed B2B enterprise SaaS, you know, with they have, like, a 100 people or something, maybe more. And he recently left that company and has started Reflect, which is a note taking app, and is writing a lot of code. And I think his his I have a hunch he's gonna come on and say, like, yeah, I wanna just write code and not hire very many people and keep this a small little boutique software thing. Yeah. I I feel like you see that relatively often. I feel like the guy at HashiCorp, what's his name? Mitchell you know who I'm talking about? I don't. He he was CEO for a long time and then decided, you know what? I'm just gonna be an individual contributor at this company that bears my name and I founded and someone else's CEO. So I feel like it, you know, it kinda goes in waves. You you wanna come back to it eventually. That makes sense. Yeah. I mean, there's so much more you can do when you, like, create a company and get build a team and have, like, leverage people. But it is a very different thing. It's just …