(BNS) Jimmy Wales

Hi. This is Joe from Vanta. In today's digital world, compliance regulations are changing constantly, and earning customer trust has never mattered more. Vanta helps companies get compliant fast and stay secure with the most advanced AI, automation, and continuous monitoring out there. So whether you're a startup going for your first SOC two or ISO 27,001 or a growing enterprise managing vendor risk, Vanta makes it quick, easy, and scalable. And I'm not just saying that because I work here. Get started at vanta.com. And so one of my employees, Jeremy Rosenfeld, showed me the idea of a Wiki. And I was like, this is very interesting. Wiki, like, people can just edit and get started. And we were afraid that the academics and people who we had brought in, you know, as volunteers to work on Wikipedia would find this crazy and offensive to have, like, wide open page anybody can edit. So we're like, oh, we won't open it as Newpedia. We'll do it as a side project and just call it Wikipedia. It'll be a scratch pad, where people can then as articles get good, they can maybe put them in into Newpedia. But it was really evident very, very quickly. Like, we had more work done in a month than we had in almost two years. And I was like, okay. Hold on. This is actually the way forward. Jimmy Jimmy Wales, thanks for coming on to talk to us today. Thanks for having me. Well, we are here because you have a book out called The Seven Rules of Trust, a blueprint for building things that last. I wanna start with rule number five. Your mother was right. Because I have a suspicion that maybe this is a motivation for why the book now. Your mother was right is essentially the argument that you feel like maybe we've lost that sense of basic politeness in these these days of was that a motivation for the book and for doing it now? Yeah. Definitely. Although, I guess I should say, I don't think we've forgotten it, universally. I think people are still people and basically everybody's pretty nice. Not everybody, but mostly. And but yet our our public discourse has deteriorated and become quite toxic. So even though people, you know, if you get into an elevator with lots of people, you're gonna find they're all basically decent nice people. Online, there's a lot of hostility, and in politics and in so forth. So, yeah, let's let's remind ourselves. As someone that has dealt with, the difference between how people behave online versus how they behave one on one for decades now. Have you ever come to a conclusion about what makes people behave differently when they're on the Internet? Well, I mean, I think, some of the, you know, the oldest elements, if the interaction people are having feels very atomistic to them, I e, it's a one off encounter and they're anonymous and …