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Stand-Up Pt II

48 min episode · 2 min read

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48 min

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Key Takeaways

  • ✓Alt Comedy Origins: Alt comedy emerged in the early 1990s when comedians like Janeane Garofalo and Dana Gould performed in non-traditional venues — bookstores, piano bars, and small clubs like Largo in LA and Luna Lounge in New York. Their style favored observational storytelling and wry humor over setup-punchline structure, and deliberately avoided the racism and homophobia common in mainstream club comedy of the era.
  • ✓Social Media Bypasses Traditional Gatekeeping: Comedians with 250,000 Instagram followers can now bypass open mics and club apprenticeships entirely, getting booked as headliners with zero stand-up experience. This creates a mismatch between audience expectations and performer ability, since being funny in podcast conversation does not translate automatically to a polished solo stage performance in front of paying audiences.
  • ✓Comedian Psychology Profile: Research using the Oxford Liverpool Inventory of Feelings and Experiences identifies four traits common in stand-up comedians: unusual perceptual experiences, cognitive disorganization, introvertive anhedonia, and impulsive nonconformity. Separately, a 2016 Australian study of 200 comedians found they die on average 10 years earlier than the general population, with higher rates of depression, anxiety, and non-natural causes of death.
  • ✓Starting Stand-Up Effectively: Prepare a minimum of five solid minutes of material before any stage appearance, since most open mic slots run exactly five minutes. Structure the set with a strong opener, riskier or unconventional material in the middle, and the biggest reliable laugh at the end. Practice extensively before performing, and never use notes on stage as a first-time performer.
  • ✓Punching Up vs. Punching Down: The power dynamic between comedian and subject determines whether edgy material lands or alienates. Comedians targeting groups with more social power than themselves — punching up — consistently generate laughs with less backlash. Punching down at vulnerable or marginalized groups almost never produces effective comedy and typically damages a comedian's reputation with audiences regardless of intent.

What It Covers

Josh and Chuck continue their two-part stand-up comedy series, covering alt comedy's 1990s origins, the psychology behind comedians, social media's disruption of traditional career paths, the debate over off-limits topics, and practical steps for anyone considering performing stand-up for the first time.

Key Questions Answered

  • •Alt Comedy Origins: Alt comedy emerged in the early 1990s when comedians like Janeane Garofalo and Dana Gould performed in non-traditional venues — bookstores, piano bars, and small clubs like Largo in LA and Luna Lounge in New York. Their style favored observational storytelling and wry humor over setup-punchline structure, and deliberately avoided the racism and homophobia common in mainstream club comedy of the era.
  • •Social Media Bypasses Traditional Gatekeeping: Comedians with 250,000 Instagram followers can now bypass open mics and club apprenticeships entirely, getting booked as headliners with zero stand-up experience. This creates a mismatch between audience expectations and performer ability, since being funny in podcast conversation does not translate automatically to a polished solo stage performance in front of paying audiences.
  • •Comedian Psychology Profile: Research using the Oxford Liverpool Inventory of Feelings and Experiences identifies four traits common in stand-up comedians: unusual perceptual experiences, cognitive disorganization, introvertive anhedonia, and impulsive nonconformity. Separately, a 2016 Australian study of 200 comedians found they die on average 10 years earlier than the general population, with higher rates of depression, anxiety, and non-natural causes of death.
  • •Starting Stand-Up Effectively: Prepare a minimum of five solid minutes of material before any stage appearance, since most open mic slots run exactly five minutes. Structure the set with a strong opener, riskier or unconventional material in the middle, and the biggest reliable laugh at the end. Practice extensively before performing, and never use notes on stage as a first-time performer.
  • •Punching Up vs. Punching Down: The power dynamic between comedian and subject determines whether edgy material lands or alienates. Comedians targeting groups with more social power than themselves — punching up — consistently generate laughs with less backlash. Punching down at vulnerable or marginalized groups almost never produces effective comedy and typically damages a comedian's reputation with audiences regardless of intent.

Notable Moment

A 2016 Australian study tracking 200 stand-up comedians found they die a full decade earlier than the general population on average — outliving both comic and dramatic actors but still dying significantly younger, with elevated rates of accidents, overdoses, and suicide alongside higher depression and anxiety levels.

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Episode Transcript

00:00:01 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio. 00:00:11 Speaker 2: Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, and there's Chuck, and Jerry's here, too. And we are kicking off part two of our two-part episode on stand-up comedy. And I think if I remember correctly, Chuck, it was a couple of days ago, but you said something about alt comedy. We were going to talk about that. 00:00:28 Speaker 1: That's right. 00:00:29 Speaker 2: What is that? 00:00:30 Speaker 3: Alt comedy is something that came about in the early 90s with a group of comedians performing in. And I don't know if that's where the term comes from, but performing in alternative venues. 00:00:45 Speaker 1: They weren't performing. 00:00:46 Speaker 3: And, you know, of course, they would all go to perform in a comedy store and all that kind of stuff, too. And comedy clubs, but they were well known for performing in like piano bars or like bookstores. 00:00:56 Speaker 1: And things like that. 00:00:57 Speaker 3: And, you know, people like Jeanine Garofalo, the great Dana Gould, who is a wonderful comic and human being still. 00:01:06 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:01:07 Speaker 3: They started out at performing at a place called Big and Tall Books in L.A., the Luna Lounge in New York and Largo, the original Largo in L.A. 00:01:17 Speaker 1: Were all sort of home bases for these comics. 00:01:20 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:01:21 Speaker 2: We did a show in Largo. Was that the original Largo? 00:01:23 Speaker 1: No, the original was like this little piano bar. 00:01:26 Speaker 2: I see. 00:01:27 Speaker 1: Uh, but the, the new Largo is great too. It's awesome. 00:01:31 Speaker 2: For sure. Uh, so I mentioned Mr. Show before, if you're familiar with Mr. Show with Bob and David, um, that is essentially alt comedy at its core. And most of the people associated with the show, if not all of them were alt comics of the time, early, early mid nineties. Right. Um, Patton Oswalt, Maria Bamford, Mark Maron, PFT, the great Paul F. Tompkins. Yeah. One of the funniest people alive. Mary Lynn Raskub. 00:02:02 Speaker 1: She's great. 00:02:03 Speaker 2: Yeah. I was like, who is that? And I went and looked her up. I'm like, oh, OK. I had no idea that she started out as a stand up. 00:02:08 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:02:09 Speaker 2: But she was great on Larry Sanders as the booking assistant to, I think, Janine Garofalo, right? 00:02:17 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:02:17 Speaker 1: Janine Garofalo was on that show. 00:02:19 Speaker 2: And she's probably more well-known by mainstream America as a character on 24. She was on 24 basically the entire run of the show. I'm not sure what she did, though, because I didn't watch it. 00:02:30 Speaker 1: Yeah, she was great. She was part of …

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