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Trump's Radical Reign (with Anne Applebaum)

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62 min

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Key Takeaways

  • Administrative Warrant Policy: A leaked Department of Homeland Security memo claims ICE agents can bypass judicial warrants and forcibly enter homes using administrative warrants not signed by federal judges. Two ICE whistleblowers disclosed this policy, prompting Senator Richard Blumenthal to demand hearings and Boston immigrant advocacy organizations to file the first constitutional challenge in federal court arguing Fourth Amendment violations.
  • Minneapolis as Turning Point: ICE operations in Minneapolis galvanized opposition because masked, militarily-armed agents appeared in suburban neighborhoods targeting daycare centers and schools, killing two US citizens including Alex Priddy, a white Veterans Administration worker and gun owner. The administration immediately slandered victims before evidence emerged, violating basic decency norms that resonate across political divides and causing Trump's immigration polling advantage to collapse underwater.
  • Radical vs Conservative Framework: The Trump administration represents Bolshevism, not conservatism, according to Applebaum. Conservatives preserve institutions and move slowly to avoid irreparable damage. This administration actively seeks to smash conventions and destroy programs without legal basis or congressional approval, populated by people who supported the January 6 assault on democracy and view institutional destruction as their mandate.
  • NATO Rupture Consequences: The relationship between America and its allies has experienced a rupture, not a transition, meaning fundamental changes that cannot be restored to their previous state. While military cooperation continues three levels below the presidency, the long-term economic impact will mirror Brexit, where businesses slowly redirect investments away from America, creating malaise and lost momentum that takes a decade to fully materialize.
  • Democracy's Fragility Redefined: Democracies are not inherently more fragile than autocracies, they are simply unusual in human history. Democracy emerged from Enlightenment thinking, popular education, and specific information systems of the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries. The question is whether democratic systems can survive surveillance technology, AI, and the superficiality and speed of modern information distribution that has coarsened culture and eroded expectations of decency.

What It Covers

Preet Bharara interviews Pulitzer Prize-winning historian Anne Applebaum about the Trump administration's radical departure from constitutional norms. They examine ICE operations in Minneapolis that killed two US citizens, the erosion of rule of law, comparisons to Bolshevism rather than conservatism, and the rupture in America's relationships with democratic allies worldwide.

Key Questions Answered

  • Administrative Warrant Policy: A leaked Department of Homeland Security memo claims ICE agents can bypass judicial warrants and forcibly enter homes using administrative warrants not signed by federal judges. Two ICE whistleblowers disclosed this policy, prompting Senator Richard Blumenthal to demand hearings and Boston immigrant advocacy organizations to file the first constitutional challenge in federal court arguing Fourth Amendment violations.
  • Minneapolis as Turning Point: ICE operations in Minneapolis galvanized opposition because masked, militarily-armed agents appeared in suburban neighborhoods targeting daycare centers and schools, killing two US citizens including Alex Priddy, a white Veterans Administration worker and gun owner. The administration immediately slandered victims before evidence emerged, violating basic decency norms that resonate across political divides and causing Trump's immigration polling advantage to collapse underwater.
  • Radical vs Conservative Framework: The Trump administration represents Bolshevism, not conservatism, according to Applebaum. Conservatives preserve institutions and move slowly to avoid irreparable damage. This administration actively seeks to smash conventions and destroy programs without legal basis or congressional approval, populated by people who supported the January 6 assault on democracy and view institutional destruction as their mandate.
  • NATO Rupture Consequences: The relationship between America and its allies has experienced a rupture, not a transition, meaning fundamental changes that cannot be restored to their previous state. While military cooperation continues three levels below the presidency, the long-term economic impact will mirror Brexit, where businesses slowly redirect investments away from America, creating malaise and lost momentum that takes a decade to fully materialize.
  • Democracy's Fragility Redefined: Democracies are not inherently more fragile than autocracies, they are simply unusual in human history. Democracy emerged from Enlightenment thinking, popular education, and specific information systems of the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries. The question is whether democratic systems can survive surveillance technology, AI, and the superficiality and speed of modern information distribution that has coarsened culture and eroded expectations of decency.
  • Connecting Democracy to Kitchen Table Issues: Democrats can successfully link rule of law issues to economic concerns by showing how ICE's private military operations drain money from healthcare, education, and infrastructure. This mirrors successful Russian opposition leader Alexei Navalny's strategy of connecting corruption and oligarch palaces directly to citizens' bad hospitals, making abstract governance failures tangible through budget trade-offs voters immediately understand.

Notable Moment

Applebaum reveals that after Julius Caesar, Rome never returned to republican government, suggesting some democratic ruptures prove permanent. She argues current changes to NATO, international alliances, and constitutional norms may similarly never be restored, though future leaders might reinvent or rethink these relationships in fundamentally different configurations that acknowledge the irreversible nature of this political transformation.

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Episode Transcript

From CAFE and the Vox Media Podcast Network, welcome to Stay Tuned. I'm Preet Bharara. It's really important to understand that this is a radical administration. It is not a conservative administration, And that's why it feels like it has nothing to do with conservatives in the past. That's Anne Applebaum. She's a Pulitzer Prize winning historian, staff writer at The Atlantic, and host of the podcast Autocracy in America, now in its third season. She's also the author of several books, including most recently Autocracy Inc, which examines how modern autocracies cooperate to maintain power. In recent weeks, Anne has focused on what's happening in Minneapolis, where ICE operations have led to the killing of two US citizens, Renee Goode and Alex Preddy. She argues that what we're seeing isn't just about immigration enforcement, but a broader shift in the exercise of state power. We talk about why Minneapolis has galvanized people in a way few events have in the Trump era, what it means when our closest allies say the word for this moment is rupture, and why Anne says the better comparison for the second Trump administration isn't conservatism, it's comparison for the second Trump administration isn't conservatism, it's Bolshevism. Then I'll answer your questions about the FBI's seizure of election ballots in Fulton County, Georgia, and the risks of refusing to pay taxes as a political protest. That's coming up. Stay tuned. I got in the water in the very early morning before the sun had risen, and the water was pitch black. I started swimming and I felt the water hollowing out around me and felt like something really big was swimming below. I'm Phoebe Judge, and this is love. A show about the surprising things that love can make us do. More than a 100 episodes available now on This Is Love. Pulitzer prize winner and Atlantic staff writer Anne Applebaum discusses ICE, Minneapolis, and the erosion of the rule of law. And, Applebaum, welcome back to the show. Oh, thanks for having me. So we haven't defeated autocracy yet. That's why we have to keep having you back. How are we doing? How are we trending? I think the thing that worries me the most is this administration's profound disregard for the rule of law. And whether that's in allowing federal agents working for or with ICE to have impunity, to be able to attack people and kill people with apparently no responsibility, no no possibility of investigating them, at least so far. Trump and his family's willingness to accept all kinds of conflicts of interest and even direct payments into Trump companies and things that would have been unthinkable in any other administration and and actually would are still unthinkable in in most democracies, allowing the whether it's Doge or whether it's individual cabinet secretaries to change the rules of their organizations or destroy their programs without asking congress or without without having a legal basis for doing so. All of that …

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