Are We Sleep Walking Into a War With Venezuela? (with Jake Sullivan and Jon Finer)

From CAFE and the Vox Media Podcast Network, welcome to Stay Tuned. I'm Preet Bharara. The fact that this has been going on now for several weeks, and they haven't yet pulled the proverbial trigger on land suggests something is happening inside the White House in terms of a real debate. I don't think it would be particularly hard for The United States to go into Venezuela, to go into Venezuela and topple the government. But the question then is what happens afterward? That's Jake Sullivan and John Feiner. Jake and John spent many years in the White House as the president's national security and deputy national security advisers. Now they have a new podcast out on Vox, The Long Game. This week, they join me to talk about leadership, judgment, and the invisible machinery of national security. We also cover some national security news making the headlines, including Venezuela, the Israel Gaza peace plan, and the intersection of AI and statecraft. Then I'll answer your questions about how grand jury investigations work and the Senate bill that ended the government shutdown and allow senators to sue over subpoenaed phone records. That's coming up. Stay tuned. This episode is brought to you by Charles Schwab. Decisions made in Washington can affect your portfolio every day. But what policy changes should investors be watching? Washington wise is an original podcast from Charles Schwab that unpacks the stories making news in Washington right now and how they may affect your finances and portfolio. Listen at schwab.com/washingtonwise. Avoiding your unfinished home projects because you're not sure where to start? Thumbtack knows homes, so you don't have to. Don't know the difference between matte paint finish and satin, or what that clunking sound from your dryer is? With Thumbtack, you don't have to be a home pro. You just have to hire one. You can hire top rated pros, see price estimates, and read reviews all on the app. Download today. Some Some of you may have heard we have started a new national security podcast with Jake Sullivan and John Feiner called The Long Game. Jake Sullivan and John Feiner, welcome back to the show. Thanks for having us. Good to be here. A lot has happened since you were last on the show. Of course, there have been things of global significance. The rule of law is in peril in The United States, but most importantly for our purposes, you two started a podcast. Exactly. My podcast I I tried saying this to to Esteb Herndon, who's also joined the the podcast family. I tried calling my podcast brother. He we only accept the moniker podcast cousin. So you can be my podcast cousins too. We we will happily cousin. Yeah. I think so. Intake brother. Is it easy because it because it's so much less fraud and scary, or is it scary because it's new? I would say it's both easier and also much harder. It's easier because obviously you're not …