670: Brad and Ian Frost on Their New Design Tokens Course

Hey there. Shop at Maniacs. You're listening to another episode of the Shop Talk Show. This week, Token Therapy with me, Dave Rupert, and Chris Coyer. Hey, Chris. Who Yeah. Out of the studio? Chris won't fix Coyer. That's cool. That's the new tagline. Yeah. My new tag in the middle. Yeah. Yeah. Little you can tell because I set a border radius around it in a different background color. That's the official design look of a tag. Yeah. Mhmm. Maybe a border. We have the frosts here today. Mister Brad Frost, how are you doing, Brad? Hey. Great. Thanks for having us. Brad's better looking brother as he introduces himself publicly on stage. Ian Frost. How are you doing, Ian? Hey. Good. How are you? Good. It's good to see you both in Amsterdam recently. We were both hanging out on the canals and, you know, doing doing life in Amsterdam. Very beautiful place. And I caught you at the end of a of a big trip. You had I think you you said you were been working together side by side, brothers in arms for ten years and took the opportunity to celebrate by hitting Europe. Yeah. Yeah. It's like part mini speaking tour. Sort of started off at, UX LX in Lisbon, Portugal and What's LX? There and yeah. LX What does LX mean? That's that's Lisbon. It's a Oh. Yeah. Lisbon experience. Oh my gosh. Okay. So Ian met me there, and and we, hiked up the the coast of, Portugal, which is awesome, and then continued hiking adventures in in Switzerland and saw some pretty epic mountains and then onto the flatlands of The Netherlands to meet up with you. Yeah. Right. So is it they literally are flat. There's so many bikes there. It's it's absolutely unbelievable. And it's like a it's like a bike culture without being a bike nerd culture. You know? Like, I'm sure there's plenty of bike nerds, but people are like, we'll ride any old rusty piece of crap because I don't think you need a lot of, like, bike horsepower when the steepest hill is, like, up over a little canal quick and then back down. You know? It's acting Amazing. Yeah. Yeah. Amazing. No. It's it's pretty amazing to see what it looks like when it's just yeah. This is normal. It doesn't need to be anything fancy. You're just literally trying to get from point a to point b. And You probably want it not fancy because, you know, the fancier it is, the higher chance of getting ripped off. I don't know what crime is like there. Maybe it's not a problem. But, yeah, still a nice one. Sometimes take Umbridge because I when I see a lot of videos about city planning and how, oh, The Netherlands, it's bikeable. Oh, Texas, that sucks. It can't walk it. It's also, like, a thousand degrees here. Hills, not fun to bike on. I I feel like …