This Is How New York City Takes Out Its Trash
Episode
52 min
Read time
2 min
Topics
Startups, Fundraising & VC, Design & UX
AI-Generated Summary
Key Takeaways
- ✓Trash Infrastructure Origins: NYC's street grid, designed in 1811 without alleyways, forced trash onto sidewalks permanently. Unlike Chicago, which has rear alleys behind nearly all buildings, NYC had no storage space. The 1968 sanitation strike then accelerated adoption of plastic bags, marketed falsely as rodent-resistant, cementing a system that persisted for 50+ years.
- ✓Waste Export System: Since the Staten Island landfill closed in 2000, NYC routes all refuse through five transfer stations where front-end loaders compress trash into sealed shipping containers, then barges or rail cars transport it out of the city. This model eliminates roughly 75 truck trips per barge load, delivering measurable environmental improvement over direct landfill trucking.
- ✓Containerization Rollout by Building Size: NYC's containerization program segments buildings into three tiers: 1–9 units use wheeled bins, 31+ units get assigned on-street Empire bins, and 10–30 unit buildings choose either option. West Harlem launched June 2025, Brooklyn Community District 2 follows in fall 2026, with full citywide rollout across all 59 districts committed by end of 2031.
- ✓Custom Truck Design: No existing automated side-loader truck met NYC's residential noise and emissions standards. Rather than wait five years for a purpose-built vehicle, DSNY engineered a hybrid prototype in 10 months combining a European side-loading body with a Mack chassis. Roughly 20 units currently operate in West Harlem, with production scaling as containerization expands district by district.
- ✓Recycling Contracts Protect Material Value: NYC's recycling program operates under long-term contracts guaranteeing beneficial reuse of sorted materials, insulating it from the 2017–2018 Chinese import policy changes that collapsed recycling markets in many other U.S. cities. Paper and cardboard recycled today can become new pizza boxes within days at the Staten Island processing facility.
What It Covers
New York City's Department of Sanitation Deputy Commissioner Joshua Goodman explains how NYC processes 24 million pounds of trash daily, why black bags became the norm after 1968, and how a borough-by-borough containerization rollout aims to transform city streets by 2031 through custom-designed trucks and volumetric block analysis.
Key Questions Answered
- •Trash Infrastructure Origins: NYC's street grid, designed in 1811 without alleyways, forced trash onto sidewalks permanently. Unlike Chicago, which has rear alleys behind nearly all buildings, NYC had no storage space. The 1968 sanitation strike then accelerated adoption of plastic bags, marketed falsely as rodent-resistant, cementing a system that persisted for 50+ years.
- •Waste Export System: Since the Staten Island landfill closed in 2000, NYC routes all refuse through five transfer stations where front-end loaders compress trash into sealed shipping containers, then barges or rail cars transport it out of the city. This model eliminates roughly 75 truck trips per barge load, delivering measurable environmental improvement over direct landfill trucking.
- •Containerization Rollout by Building Size: NYC's containerization program segments buildings into three tiers: 1–9 units use wheeled bins, 31+ units get assigned on-street Empire bins, and 10–30 unit buildings choose either option. West Harlem launched June 2025, Brooklyn Community District 2 follows in fall 2026, with full citywide rollout across all 59 districts committed by end of 2031.
- •Custom Truck Design: No existing automated side-loader truck met NYC's residential noise and emissions standards. Rather than wait five years for a purpose-built vehicle, DSNY engineered a hybrid prototype in 10 months combining a European side-loading body with a Mack chassis. Roughly 20 units currently operate in West Harlem, with production scaling as containerization expands district by district.
- •Recycling Contracts Protect Material Value: NYC's recycling program operates under long-term contracts guaranteeing beneficial reuse of sorted materials, insulating it from the 2017–2018 Chinese import policy changes that collapsed recycling markets in many other U.S. cities. Paper and cardboard recycled today can become new pizza boxes within days at the Staten Island processing facility.
Notable Moment
Goodman revealed that roughly 50% of sanitation worker line-of-duty injuries are sprains and strains from manually throwing bags, and that needle-stick incidents have risen noticeably, attributed to increased at-home GLP-1 injector disposal without proper sharps containers — an unexpected public health consequence of the weight-loss drug boom.
Episode Transcript
00:00:02 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios. 00:00:04 Speaker 2: Podcasts. Radio. News. 00:00:18 Speaker 3: Hello and welcome to another episode of the Odd Thoughts Podcast. 00:00:21 Speaker 4: I'm Tracy Alloway. 00:00:22 Speaker 1: And I'm Joe Weisenthal. 00:00:23 Speaker 4: Joe, I was talking trash with a guy at a party recently. 00:00:27 Speaker 2: Go on. 00:00:28 Speaker 4: No, I met this guy at a party. 00:00:29 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:00:30 Speaker 4: And you know some people... Are so into their work. 00:00:33 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:00:34 Speaker 3: An area of expertise that they just start talking to you about it. And this guy happened to be an expert in trash. 00:00:41 Speaker 1: That's really cool. I don't know much about trash. 00:00:43 Speaker 5: I'm impressed at like what a complex logistical operation it must be to collect trash in a city like New York City. 00:00:51 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:00:51 Speaker 5: I also understand that, you know, it's sort of one of those classic things where, isn't there a cliche like, There's no Democrat or Republican way to pick up trash. Some famous politician once said that, and they were talking about city management and what makes city management different than other sort of political things. It's like the trash isn't picked up, it's not picked up, and it's not an ideological thing. 00:01:13 Speaker 3: Well, it's interesting you say that because the person I was talking to at this party who we're about to have on the show as a guest described Trash Collection in New York City as one of the last services untouched by neoliberalism. And that's when I knew we had to have him on Oddlots. And then he introduced his wife as his garbage queen. And then I was doubly sure that we needed to have. 00:01:35 Speaker 4: Him on Oddlots. But Trash Collection is such a fascinating thing. I wasn't planning. 00:01:40 Speaker 3: on doing an episode on it, but I've been converted, I guess, after this conversation, because you think about in a city like New York, just how much trash has to be dealt with on a daily basis. And obviously in New York specifically, it's not like we're putting it, you know, in the city. 00:01:57 Speaker 4: We have to find other places to store our trash. 00:02:01 Speaker 3: And at the same time, New York City is not well known for being the cleanest place in the world. In fact, we famously stick our garbage out in bags on the curb. 00:02:11 Speaker 4: And wait for collection. 00:02:12 Speaker 3: And we are in a giant process of trying to change that. So there's a lot to discuss here. 00:02:16 Speaker 1: There's a lot to discuss. 00:02:17 Speaker 5: By the way, that quote, according to Google Gemini, there's no Republican or Democratic way to pick up the garbage. Former Mayor Fiorello LaGuardia …
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