The New Way To Grow a Podcast in 2026 | 112
Episode
72 min
Read time
2 min
Topics
Relationships, Fundraising & VC, Marketing
AI-Generated Summary
Key Takeaways
- ✓Post-Roll Ad Arbitrage: Purchase post-roll ads at fraction of mid-roll costs because most podcasts leave them empty. Target Spotify specifically since you pay per impression rather than download, meaning if 50% of listeners drop off before the end, the Spotify ad costs half what Apple charges. Catch listeners at the exact moment they finish content and need something new.
- ✓Podcast Guest Pitching Strategy: Research 2-5 episodes before pitching, analyze last 100 episode topics, and create custom interview guides with 20 bullet points. Instead of asking to be interviewed, offer to host an episode where you interview their team, demonstrating expertise while making their job easier. This approach converted BiggerPockets appearance into recurring invitations.
- ✓Networking Through Inner Circles: Connect with the right-hand person of your target contact rather than the celebrity directly. Spend 20 minutes getting them excited about your idea instead of 90 seconds with the busy person. They can advocate for you more effectively than you can pitch yourself, and you build genuine relationships rather than transactional asks.
- ✓Subsidized Growth Through Programmatic Ads: When running feed drops through platforms like Podroll, turn off host-read ads and enable Spotify programmatic ads on those episodes. Each download generates $30-40 CPM from five ads, subsidizing the $20-100 CPM cost of the feed drop. Calculate lifetime value per listener to determine if acquisition costs make sense for sustainable growth.
- ✓World-Class Knowledge Accumulation: Go deeper than anyone else on one specific topic, then share 10 tactics with each person you meet while learning 1 back. This compounds to 11, then 12 tactics rapidly. Becoming the recognized expert in podcast growth or any niche creates networking opportunities where people seek you out and reciprocate with their own specialized knowledge.
What It Covers
Chris Hutchins, host of All the Hacks podcast with millions of listeners, reveals his systematic approach to podcast growth through paid advertising, strategic guest appearances, and networking optimization. He shares specific tactics including post-roll ad arbitrage, Spotify impression-based buying, and how to pitch yourself onto other shows by delivering extreme value upfront.
Key Questions Answered
- •Post-Roll Ad Arbitrage: Purchase post-roll ads at fraction of mid-roll costs because most podcasts leave them empty. Target Spotify specifically since you pay per impression rather than download, meaning if 50% of listeners drop off before the end, the Spotify ad costs half what Apple charges. Catch listeners at the exact moment they finish content and need something new.
- •Podcast Guest Pitching Strategy: Research 2-5 episodes before pitching, analyze last 100 episode topics, and create custom interview guides with 20 bullet points. Instead of asking to be interviewed, offer to host an episode where you interview their team, demonstrating expertise while making their job easier. This approach converted BiggerPockets appearance into recurring invitations.
- •Networking Through Inner Circles: Connect with the right-hand person of your target contact rather than the celebrity directly. Spend 20 minutes getting them excited about your idea instead of 90 seconds with the busy person. They can advocate for you more effectively than you can pitch yourself, and you build genuine relationships rather than transactional asks.
- •Subsidized Growth Through Programmatic Ads: When running feed drops through platforms like Podroll, turn off host-read ads and enable Spotify programmatic ads on those episodes. Each download generates $30-40 CPM from five ads, subsidizing the $20-100 CPM cost of the feed drop. Calculate lifetime value per listener to determine if acquisition costs make sense for sustainable growth.
- •World-Class Knowledge Accumulation: Go deeper than anyone else on one specific topic, then share 10 tactics with each person you meet while learning 1 back. This compounds to 11, then 12 tactics rapidly. Becoming the recognized expert in podcast growth or any niche creates networking opportunities where people seek you out and reciprocate with their own specialized knowledge.
- •Strategic Business Pruning: Cut revenue sources that require disproportionate mental overhead even if profitable. Hutchins eliminated group travel trips despite generating revenue because planning consumed time better spent on high-leverage activities like newsletter optimization, welcome sequences, and sponsor relationships. Invest by choosing what not to do rather than always adding more revenue streams.
Notable Moment
Hutchins landed his first startup job by creating a full pitch deck selling himself as a candidate rather than a company, then convinced a venture capitalist to let him present it with portfolio company founders in the room. He later realized they hired him not for the presentation quality but for demonstrating the tenacity to spend 50 hours researching just to get one job interview.
Episode Transcript
The best way to find podcast listeners. I hesitate to share this strategy because I'm using it and I think it really works, but I'm gonna share it. My guest today is Chris Hutchins, the host of the All the Hacks podcast where he has millions of listeners, And the goal of the show is to help people optimize their life, money, and travel. If you're a business owner, and by business owner, I mean, you could have a blog, a podcast, a newsletter. Don't go hire the cheapest growth consultant. Go hire the best people in the world for three months and then train someone that you can hire to run that playbook because you want to run the best playbook. That makes a lot of sense. In this episode, we dive deep on what it takes to really grow a podcast, how you can buy advertising, what works to rank in the charts and so much more. The real hack is to say, hey, I'd love to buy post roll ads. I'm trying to grow my audience on Spotify. The reason when you buy ads on Apple, you're buying downloads. But when you buy ads on Spotify, you're buying impressions. If 50% of the audience is missing at the end, will that Apple ad cost twice as much as the Spotify ad? Chris approaches business and content growth the same way that he once approached startups and investing through obsessive optimization. The number one strategy is it is the one way that you can grow your podcast that doesn't cost you anything other than your time. I love that. What is the career background that got you into this place of being a creator, but to this extreme level of optimization? I wish that I had a good answer to, like, how I became an optimizer. I think it maybe started somewhere in school where a lot of kids around me had more resources and higher allowance than I did, and I had to find ways to generate income to keep up. So, you know, that probably happened early on. When I graduated from college, I didn't realize that you were supposed to get a job and and, like, before you graduate. Oh, okay. Like, this was a thing. I I ended up doing my last semester at college. We had to pick, like, a project in the business school, and I was, like, how about career advising? Because I don't think that the system we have here is good enough because it totally failed me. And I I didn't really realize what happened. And then I'd kinda had to kick into high gear and get creative about how can I work every possible angle I have to make sure I end up with a job when I graduate? And fortunately, it ended up working out. But I went into the kind of first into investment banking and then lasted, I don't know, less than a year. Went …
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