Bonus: How do CEO’s stay fit?
Episode
25 min
Read time
2 min
Topics
Productivity, Health & Wellness, Personal Finance
AI-Generated Summary
Key Takeaways
- ✓Nervous System Management: Novartis CEO Vas Narasimhan structures his entire wellness approach around four pillars — mindset, movement, nutrition, and recovery — specifically because leadership decisions suffer under high sympathetic nervous system activation. He targets seven-plus hours of sleep nightly using tracking technology and supplements, noting these habits compound over time to sustain executive energy.
- ✓Caffeine Nap Protocol: Author Dan Pink describes a scientifically optimized 25-minute nap that doubles recovery benefits: drink coffee immediately before lying down, set a timer for exactly 25 minutes, and use noise-cancelling headphones. Caffeine takes roughly 25 minutes to enter the bloodstream, so you wake simultaneously refreshed from sleep and energized by the caffeine hit.
- ✓Deliberate Discomfort Training: TKO CEO Ari Emanuel combines 20-minute sauna sessions with 3-minute ice baths daily, plus quarterly 3-day fasts, arguing that training the mind to tolerate physical discomfort directly strengthens business decision-making. Enduring controlled suffering builds the psychological capacity to sit with uncertainty, aggravation, and prolonged pressure without reactive choices.
- ✓Recovery as Performance Strategy: Former IKEA executive Jesper Bodine and ex-national rower Karin Nordstrom both identify recovery as undervalued relative to output. Nordstrom practices a weekly written reflection — documenting what happened, what she felt, and what she learned — then shares it with an accountability partner, using the ritual to consciously release the workweek before weekends.
- ✓Breathing as Portable Meditation: Citigroup CEO Jane Fraser uses diaphragmatic breathing as her primary stress-regulation tool, learned from a coach. The technique requires sitting upright with feet flat, spine aligned, and breathing into the lower abdomen rather than the chest. Chest breathing signals physical tension, while belly breathing activates the body's relaxation response and restores focus between high-pressure interactions.
What It Covers
Nicolai Tangen, CEO of Norway's sovereign wealth fund, compiles wellness routines from 13 global executives including Bob Iger, Jane Fraser, and Jack Dorsey, revealing how leaders across industries structure sleep, exercise, nutrition, and mental recovery to sustain peak performance across demanding schedules.
Key Questions Answered
- •Nervous System Management: Novartis CEO Vas Narasimhan structures his entire wellness approach around four pillars — mindset, movement, nutrition, and recovery — specifically because leadership decisions suffer under high sympathetic nervous system activation. He targets seven-plus hours of sleep nightly using tracking technology and supplements, noting these habits compound over time to sustain executive energy.
- •Caffeine Nap Protocol: Author Dan Pink describes a scientifically optimized 25-minute nap that doubles recovery benefits: drink coffee immediately before lying down, set a timer for exactly 25 minutes, and use noise-cancelling headphones. Caffeine takes roughly 25 minutes to enter the bloodstream, so you wake simultaneously refreshed from sleep and energized by the caffeine hit.
- •Deliberate Discomfort Training: TKO CEO Ari Emanuel combines 20-minute sauna sessions with 3-minute ice baths daily, plus quarterly 3-day fasts, arguing that training the mind to tolerate physical discomfort directly strengthens business decision-making. Enduring controlled suffering builds the psychological capacity to sit with uncertainty, aggravation, and prolonged pressure without reactive choices.
- •Recovery as Performance Strategy: Former IKEA executive Jesper Bodine and ex-national rower Karin Nordstrom both identify recovery as undervalued relative to output. Nordstrom practices a weekly written reflection — documenting what happened, what she felt, and what she learned — then shares it with an accountability partner, using the ritual to consciously release the workweek before weekends.
- •Breathing as Portable Meditation: Citigroup CEO Jane Fraser uses diaphragmatic breathing as her primary stress-regulation tool, learned from a coach. The technique requires sitting upright with feet flat, spine aligned, and breathing into the lower abdomen rather than the chest. Chest breathing signals physical tension, while belly breathing activates the body's relaxation response and restores focus between high-pressure interactions.
Notable Moment
Jack Dorsey's decision to eat only one meal per day began as an experiment in dietary extremes but produced an unexpected outcome: he calculated that eliminating breakfast and lunch returned two to three hours of daily free time, which he reframed as a productivity advantage rather than a health sacrifice.
Episode Transcript
Hi, everybody. I'm Nikola Tangen, the CEO of the Norwegian sovereign wealth fund, and you are listening to In Good Company. Now when you spend as much time as I do sitting across from chief executives, world champs, and some of the sharpest investors on our planet, you start to notice something. These people work incredibly hard, but almost all of them also quietly are obsessive about how they look after themselves. So somewhere in most of these conversations, I cannot help asking, when do you get up? Do you exercise? How do you sleep? And how on earth do you switch off? In this special episode, we have gathered some of the most fascinating of those answers. The exercise, the sleep, the cold water, the naps, the food, and the little rituals that keep our guests fit, sharp, and able to perform at the very top. None of them are doctors, so think of this as what works for them, not a prescription. But there is a surprising amount of wisdom packed into the next few minutes and one or two habits I've happily stole myself. And right at the very end, I'll tell you what I do. Let's get into it. Let's start with a man who more than anyone has turned all of this into a system. Vas Narasimhan runs Novartis, one of the world's biggest pharmaceutical companies, and he organizes his whole life around four simple words. I got taught very early on from my, a coach that I work with today. His name is Scott Pelton. This this this approach, mindset movement, nutrition, and recovery, and I stick with it. So mindset, you know, clearly mindfulness, meditation, observing yourself, observing why you think the things you think, why you feel the things you do, and then setting yourself up in the right mindset each day, and for each interaction or each moment, even when I have to show up on the In Good Company podcast. You know, nutrition, you know, I think you have to think why do you eat the things you eat, and how you eat will affect your performance even in small ways. So something I always think about. Obviously, movement I mean, exercise has a lot of impact on the nervous system. Over the years, I've learned that exercise can reset your sympathetic and parasympathetic nervous system. By the way, so much of leadership comes down to managing your nervous system. You're likely not gonna make a good decision when you're on high sympathetic drive. When you're more balanced, parasitic, sympathetic, you're more likely to get all the inputs that you need. So observing that in yourself, is is hugely important. And then recovery, I've learned over the years the power of sleep. I mean, I'm obsessed with trying to optimize my sleep. I've got, you know, technology, sleep technology, sleep supplements, all kinds of things to really say, how can I get seven plus hours of very high quality sleep …
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