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Ep 386: Was 2025 a Great or Terrible Year for AI? (w/ Ed Zitron)

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Ed Zitron

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143 min

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Key Takeaways

  • DeepSeek's efficiency challenge: Chinese startup DeepSeek trained its R1 model for $5.3 million versus American models costing $50-100 billion, demonstrating that frontier AI doesn't require massive data centers. This threatened the industry narrative justifying enormous capital raises, so companies memory-holed the story rather than optimize their own spending.
  • AI agents marketing shift: Companies pivoted from AGI superintelligence messaging to workplace agents in early 2025 because chatbot capabilities had plateaued. The agent narrative promised digital labor replacing workers, but required multi-step LLM queries that increased costs without delivering reliable autonomous task completion beyond simple prototypes.
  • GPT-4.5 router inefficiency: OpenAI's router model that automatically selects optimal models for tasks actually increased inference costs by eliminating system prompt caching. Each model switch required reprocessing the entire system prompt through GPUs, creating overhead that infrastructure teams internally questioned, contradicting public efficiency claims.
  • Anthropic's hidden burn rate: Despite positioning as more efficient than OpenAI, Anthropic spent $2.66 billion on AWS alone in three quarters of 2025, likely matching that on Google Cloud. The company raised $16.5 billion versus OpenAI's $18.3 billion, revealing nearly identical capital consumption rates despite public perception of fiscal discipline.
  • OpenAI's revenue-cost mismatch: Through September 2025, OpenAI generated approximately $4.5 billion in revenue while spending $8.67 billion solely on inference costs to run existing models. This inverse relationship where costs scale directly with revenue demonstrates the fundamental unprofitability of large language model deployment at scale.

What It Covers

Cal Newport and AI commentator Ed Zitron analyze twelve major AI stories from 2025, examining whether the year represented progress or failure for artificial intelligence through technical analysis, financial reporting, and industry insider information about OpenAI, Anthropic, and NVIDIA.

Key Questions Answered

  • DeepSeek's efficiency challenge: Chinese startup DeepSeek trained its R1 model for $5.3 million versus American models costing $50-100 billion, demonstrating that frontier AI doesn't require massive data centers. This threatened the industry narrative justifying enormous capital raises, so companies memory-holed the story rather than optimize their own spending.
  • AI agents marketing shift: Companies pivoted from AGI superintelligence messaging to workplace agents in early 2025 because chatbot capabilities had plateaued. The agent narrative promised digital labor replacing workers, but required multi-step LLM queries that increased costs without delivering reliable autonomous task completion beyond simple prototypes.
  • GPT-4.5 router inefficiency: OpenAI's router model that automatically selects optimal models for tasks actually increased inference costs by eliminating system prompt caching. Each model switch required reprocessing the entire system prompt through GPUs, creating overhead that infrastructure teams internally questioned, contradicting public efficiency claims.
  • Anthropic's hidden burn rate: Despite positioning as more efficient than OpenAI, Anthropic spent $2.66 billion on AWS alone in three quarters of 2025, likely matching that on Google Cloud. The company raised $16.5 billion versus OpenAI's $18.3 billion, revealing nearly identical capital consumption rates despite public perception of fiscal discipline.
  • OpenAI's revenue-cost mismatch: Through September 2025, OpenAI generated approximately $4.5 billion in revenue while spending $8.67 billion solely on inference costs to run existing models. This inverse relationship where costs scale directly with revenue demonstrates the fundamental unprofitability of large language model deployment at scale.

Notable Moment

Jensen Huang announced at March GTC that the AI industry had moved from the pre-training scaling era into post-training and inference, essentially telling shareholders that massive ongoing GPU purchases would be required just to run models, not improve them—benefiting NVIDIA while increasing operational costs for AI companies permanently.

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Episode Transcript

So much happened in the world of AI in 2025 that it can actually be hard to keep track of it all. I mean, remember DeepSeek? That was in 2025, as was Dario Amede saying that we were going to lose half of white collar jobs to AI as well as GPT five's release, the release of Sora, AI looking like the best investment ever, followed by AI being described as a giant bubble that was gonna bring down the economy, followed by that bubble being described as actually not being so bad. This was also the year where NVIDIA CEO, Jensen Huang, took the stage in a conference wearing a jacket that, well, I'll be honest, looks like it came from the prop department from a Mad Max movie. Jesse, let's put this on the screen here. I mean, dude, you're a computer scientist. You're in a razor jacket. I love it. I'm here for it. What I'm trying to say is a lot happened in the world of AI in the year that just ended. And the key question that I've been grappling with is, did this year end up being a great year for AI or a terrible one? I would believe either answer and so much happened, it could be really hard to try to keep it all straight. So here's what we're gonna do today. We're gonna try to get an answer to that query. To help me in these efforts, I've invited to join me, Ed Zitron. I think one of the the big missed stories of AI in 2025 is Zitron himself who hosts the Better Offline podcast and writes the Where's Your Eds At substack. He rose to become, I think, one of the more, informed and important AI commentators out there. The secret to Ed's success is pretty simple. He just does his homework. Like, he actually talks to sources. He talks to reporters. He reads earning reports. He gets leaked information. He talks to people within these companies. He puts together the pieces. Old fashioned, shoe leather reporting on what's actually happening with these businesses as opposed to reporting on the stories these businesses are telling about what their technology may or may not do. My honest opinion or at least my humble opinion, I think it's probably the most important AI commentator that you haven't yet heard about. So Ed is gonna join me and what we've done is we've pulled the biggest AI stories of 2025, one per month for the entire year. We're gonna go through them in order, and Ed is gonna help us make sense of what was going on behind the scenes and what these stories actually mean for the AI industry writ large, we'll end up with the conclusion of just how good or bad this year actually was for AI technology. So by the time that we are done with this episode, you will be more or less fully up to speed …

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