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Brené with Mike Erwin on Leadership Is a Relationship, Part 1 of 2

39 min episode · 2 min read
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Mike Erwin

Episode

39 min

Read time

2 min

Topics

Productivity, Health & Wellness, Relationships

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Key Takeaways

  • Accountability in Context: Effective accountability conversations require understanding personal circumstances affecting performance. Leaders who invest time knowing their team members' stories can address underperformance while acknowledging external factors, asking what support looks like rather than simply demanding results.
  • Forgiveness as Catalyst: Creating a culture where people feel loved and supported even when they fail enables teams to attempt audacious, creative, and risky initiatives. Sometimes the greatest exercise of power is choosing to forgive rather than punish, which transforms organizational bravery and innovation.
  • Resilience Through Community: Resilience is not built individually but through relationships and community support. Strong relationships help teams stay resilient across various challenges when faced together, from missed quarterly goals to major setbacks, making wrap-around community support essential for sustained performance.
  • Trust Through Consistency: When leaders fail to hold underperforming team members accountable, they erode trust across the entire team. Accountability conversations can be productive and kind rather than harsh, but avoiding them signals leaders don't care enough about the mission to address performance gaps.

What It Covers

Mike Erwin, founder of the Character and Leadership Center, discusses his book Leadership is a Relationship, exploring seven relationship-building functions that strengthen leadership effectiveness, including accountability, forgiveness, and resilience in organizational contexts.

Key Questions Answered

  • Accountability in Context: Effective accountability conversations require understanding personal circumstances affecting performance. Leaders who invest time knowing their team members' stories can address underperformance while acknowledging external factors, asking what support looks like rather than simply demanding results.
  • Forgiveness as Catalyst: Creating a culture where people feel loved and supported even when they fail enables teams to attempt audacious, creative, and risky initiatives. Sometimes the greatest exercise of power is choosing to forgive rather than punish, which transforms organizational bravery and innovation.
  • Resilience Through Community: Resilience is not built individually but through relationships and community support. Strong relationships help teams stay resilient across various challenges when faced together, from missed quarterly goals to major setbacks, making wrap-around community support essential for sustained performance.
  • Trust Through Consistency: When leaders fail to hold underperforming team members accountable, they erode trust across the entire team. Accountability conversations can be productive and kind rather than harsh, but avoiding them signals leaders don't care enough about the mission to address performance gaps.

Notable Moment

Michigan basketball coach Sean Beeline gathered his team after surviving a plane crash, not discussing tactics but simply saying they had been through a lot together and asking if they could pull out a win, which sparked their championship run.

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Episode Transcript

Hi, everyone. This is Bara Guillen, and welcome to Dare to Lead. I wanted to let you know that the Mike Erwin podcast podcast was so amazing that we decided to split it into two parts. So this is part one. Part two will be out next week, and I'm gonna kick it over to Brene to take us from here. Hi, everyone. I'm Brene Brown, and this is Dare to Lead. Today, I'm talking to Mike Erwin, who is the founder and CEO of the Character and Leadership Center, Team Red, White, and Blue, and the Positivity Project. He's also the coauthor of Lead Yourself First, which focuses on how solitude strengthens people's character and their ability to lead with clarity, balance, and conviction. We're talking today about his new book, Leadership as a Relationship, which is, such a it's a really beautiful book about kind of seven functions of relationship building. And whether you're a leader or you're thinking about your family, you're thinking about friends, it's a really beautiful conversation about the importance of prioritizing our relationships as people and also as leaders. I'm glad y'all are here. Avoiding your unfinished home projects because you're not sure where to start? Thumbtack knows homes, so you don't have to. Don't know the difference between matte paint finish and satin, or what that clunking sound from your dryer is? With Thumbtack, you don't have to be a home pro. You just have to hire one. You can hire top rated pros, see price estimates, and read reviews all on the app. Download today. Support for this show comes from Odoo. Running a business is hard enough, so why make it harder with a dozen different apps that don't talk to each other? Introducing Odoo. It's the only business software you'll ever need. It's an all in one fully integrated platform that makes your work easier. CRM, accounting, inventory, e commerce and more. And the best part? Odoo replaces multiple expensive platforms for a fraction of the cost. That's why over thousands of businesses have made the switch. So why not you? Try Odoo for free at odoo.com. That's odoo.com. Before we get started, let me tell you a little bit about Mike. He is a leader who has dedicated his life to serving the nation and empowering people to build positive relationships and become more resilient in community. And I met Mike god. How long ago, Barrett? Well, I think he said it was eight years when we did the five k. So maybe Ten years? Ten, twelve years ago at West Point when I went to do some leadership work with the cadets and then met Mike and spent some time with Mike. And we've been friends since. I've done some work with Team Red, White, and Blue, the veterans group with him. And he's just an incredibly dynamic, smart, funny, loving person. Mike is a 2,002 graduate of the US Military Academy at West Point. He has …

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