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Why Longer Prison Sentences Don’t Work

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Jennifer Dolyack

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66 min

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Key Takeaways

  • Certainty vs. severity of punishment: Criminals with short time horizons — thinking days or weeks ahead, not years — are unresponsive to longer sentences but highly responsive to increased probability of arrest. Shifting criminal justice resources from extending sentences toward improving clearance rates and police presence produces measurably larger reductions in crime, particularly violent and property offenses, at lower cost to taxpayers.
  • DNA databases as deterrence tools: Entering first-time offenders into law enforcement DNA databases reduces recidivism by approximately 40%, based on Danish natural experiment data comparing otherwise identical offenders just before and after database expansion. The mechanism is purely deterrence — raising the perceived probability of being caught if reoffending — without changing sentence length or punishment severity at all.
  • Ban the Box backfires for Black applicants: Removing criminal history checkboxes from job applications causes employers to statistically discriminate, reducing callback rates for young Black men with limited education by roughly 5%. Field experiments in New York City and New Jersey confirm the racial gap widens post-policy. People with actual criminal records show no employment benefit, making the policy net harmful.
  • First-offense diversion cuts recidivism by 50%: Natural experiments comparing defendants whose first nonviolent felony charges were dropped versus prosecuted show a roughly 50% reduction in reoffending among those who avoided conviction. Arrest, booking, and case proceedings alone function as sufficient deterrence for a meaningful share of first-time offenders, making criminal records unnecessary and counterproductive for this group.
  • Street lighting reduces crime measurably: A randomized trial in New York City public housing found ambient lighting improvements reduced crime by approximately 10%. Daylight saving time data corroborates this — shifting daylight to evening hours reduces crime during that hour. Overlaying high-crime area maps with poor-lighting maps gives city officials a low-cost, data-driven tool for targeted infrastructure investment.

What It Covers

Economist Jennifer Doleac, author of *The Science of Second Chances*, explains why longer prison sentences fail to deter crime, why swift and certain punishment outperforms severe punishment, and how policies like Ban the Box produce racially discriminatory unintended consequences — drawing on natural experiments and randomized trials across U.S. states and Denmark.

Key Questions Answered

  • Certainty vs. severity of punishment: Criminals with short time horizons — thinking days or weeks ahead, not years — are unresponsive to longer sentences but highly responsive to increased probability of arrest. Shifting criminal justice resources from extending sentences toward improving clearance rates and police presence produces measurably larger reductions in crime, particularly violent and property offenses, at lower cost to taxpayers.
  • DNA databases as deterrence tools: Entering first-time offenders into law enforcement DNA databases reduces recidivism by approximately 40%, based on Danish natural experiment data comparing otherwise identical offenders just before and after database expansion. The mechanism is purely deterrence — raising the perceived probability of being caught if reoffending — without changing sentence length or punishment severity at all.
  • Ban the Box backfires for Black applicants: Removing criminal history checkboxes from job applications causes employers to statistically discriminate, reducing callback rates for young Black men with limited education by roughly 5%. Field experiments in New York City and New Jersey confirm the racial gap widens post-policy. People with actual criminal records show no employment benefit, making the policy net harmful.
  • First-offense diversion cuts recidivism by 50%: Natural experiments comparing defendants whose first nonviolent felony charges were dropped versus prosecuted show a roughly 50% reduction in reoffending among those who avoided conviction. Arrest, booking, and case proceedings alone function as sufficient deterrence for a meaningful share of first-time offenders, making criminal records unnecessary and counterproductive for this group.
  • Street lighting reduces crime measurably: A randomized trial in New York City public housing found ambient lighting improvements reduced crime by approximately 10%. Daylight saving time data corroborates this — shifting daylight to evening hours reduces crime during that hour. Overlaying high-crime area maps with poor-lighting maps gives city officials a low-cost, data-driven tool for targeted infrastructure investment.
  • Electronic monitoring outperforms incarceration on cost and recidivism: Using electronic monitoring — house arrest with GPS tracking — as a partial or full alternative to prison sentences reduces reoffending while costing less than incarceration. The First Step Act created federal authority to expand early release to home confinement, and the current Bureau of Prisons leadership is working toward full implementation of this underutilized provision.

Notable Moment

Doleac describes reading Michelle Alexander's anniversary edition of *The New Jim Crow*, where Alexander responds to the question of what should be done about mass incarceration by stating that providing solutions is not her job. Doleac frames this as a missed opportunity that motivated her to write an entirely solutions-focused book instead.

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Episode Transcript

Hey. It's Sterling k Brown from the Hulu original series Paradise. The next chapter begins as Xavier's search for his wife takes him above ground, and what he finds will change everything. It was never just about the bunker. Tune in and discover the truth lies outside. Paradise, the official podcast is now streaming, and stream Paradise on Hulu and Hulu on Disney plus. Welcome to another episode of Conversations with Coleman. My guest today is Jennifer Dolyack. Jennifer is an economist whose research focuses on crime and criminal justice policy. Her new book is called The Science of Second Chances, a Revolution in Criminal Justice. In this episode, we talk about why economists tend to produce the best research about crime. We talk about whether people commit crime because of human nature or because of social and economic causes. We talk about Michelle Alexander's famous book, The New Jim Crow, and What It Gets Wrong. We talk about why hiring more policemen is a much better way to reduce crime than doling out longer prison sentences. We talk about why Ban the Box doesn't work and much more. So without further ado, Jennifer Dolyak. Okay, Jennifer Dolyak. Thanks so much for coming on my show. Thank you so much for having me. As I was just telling you before we started, I've been following your work for a very long time. You are an economist who studies crime, and a lot of people might wonder, okay, why would an economist study crime? Aren't economists people who study the stock market and and, GDP and economic growth? So what first of all, why would an economist study crime, and what special tools do you bring to the study of crime as an economist that other, people who study crime don't bring? Yeah. So economists, it turns out, study lots and lots of things that the general public don't realize we're interested in, everything from education to health care to crime and criminal justice policy, all the way to monetary policy and GDP, which I think are the traditional econ, ideas that people know of. I would put what the economics lens brings to this conversation into three buckets. So one is that economists love to think about incentives and how people respond to incentives. And that, is really relevant throughout the criminal justice system. So judges are responding to incentives, police officers, prosecutors, potential criminals, victims, witnesses, everyone in the the choices that they're making and and, in their day to day behavior, they're responding to incentives. And the the theoretical lens that economists bring to the problem of how to change behavior is if we can figure out what what incentives people are responding to, we can figure out how to change those incentives so that we change the behavior. So that's bucket one. The second is that economists are more obsessed than most social scientists with distinguishing correlation from causation. So we think a lot about either running …

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