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The Expense Audit | Ep 586

69 min episode · 2 min read

Episode

69 min

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2 min

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Personal Finance, Software Development, Science & Discovery

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Key Takeaways

  • The $100 Monthly Impact: Every $100 per month cut from expenses reduces the FI number by $30,000 using the 4% rule. That same $100 monthly savings invested over 20 years grows to $60,000, creating a total $90,000 swing in financial position. This demonstrates why small recurring expenses matter significantly more than one-time purchases when calculating the path to financial independence.
  • Annual Override Method: Not all expenses appear monthly due to subscribe-and-save programs, annual subscriptions, or seasonal costs. Create an annual override category to capture these irregular expenses, then divide by 12 to get the true monthly average. This prevents underestimating actual living costs by only tracking what hits in a single statement period.
  • Debt Payment Categorization: Include all debt payments as expenses except principal paydown on mortgages, which can be considered savings. For credit cards paid in full monthly, only track the purchases themselves. For outstanding credit card debt, treat the monthly payment as a pure expense since the original purchases no longer hold value. Student loans and car payments count entirely as expenses.
  • Multi-Month Data Collection: Download 3-4 months of credit card and checking account statements as CSV files rather than manually tracking one month. Sort transactions by category to identify patterns and average variable expenses like groceries. This approach captures irregular expenses and provides more accurate projections than a single month snapshot.
  • Time-Bound Expense Identification: Separate expenses that will eventually disappear from permanent costs when calculating FI numbers. Mortgage payments end after 15-30 years, children's activities stop when they age out, and debt payments conclude on schedule. Mark these as time-bound to avoid overestimating the FI number needed to sustain your actual long-term lifestyle.

What It Covers

Jonathan and Brad introduce the expense audit framework as the foundation for calculating financial independence numbers. They walk through categorizing all monthly expenses, identifying money leaks from subscriptions and lifestyle creep, and distinguishing between required versus discretionary spending. The hosts commit to completing their own audits and invite listeners to participate using spreadsheets or the ChooseFI community app.

Key Questions Answered

  • The $100 Monthly Impact: Every $100 per month cut from expenses reduces the FI number by $30,000 using the 4% rule. That same $100 monthly savings invested over 20 years grows to $60,000, creating a total $90,000 swing in financial position. This demonstrates why small recurring expenses matter significantly more than one-time purchases when calculating the path to financial independence.
  • Annual Override Method: Not all expenses appear monthly due to subscribe-and-save programs, annual subscriptions, or seasonal costs. Create an annual override category to capture these irregular expenses, then divide by 12 to get the true monthly average. This prevents underestimating actual living costs by only tracking what hits in a single statement period.
  • Debt Payment Categorization: Include all debt payments as expenses except principal paydown on mortgages, which can be considered savings. For credit cards paid in full monthly, only track the purchases themselves. For outstanding credit card debt, treat the monthly payment as a pure expense since the original purchases no longer hold value. Student loans and car payments count entirely as expenses.
  • Multi-Month Data Collection: Download 3-4 months of credit card and checking account statements as CSV files rather than manually tracking one month. Sort transactions by category to identify patterns and average variable expenses like groceries. This approach captures irregular expenses and provides more accurate projections than a single month snapshot.
  • Time-Bound Expense Identification: Separate expenses that will eventually disappear from permanent costs when calculating FI numbers. Mortgage payments end after 15-30 years, children's activities stop when they age out, and debt payments conclude on schedule. Mark these as time-bound to avoid overestimating the FI number needed to sustain your actual long-term lifestyle.
  • Value Matrix Quadrants: Sort all non-essential expenses into four categories: high joy essential, high joy eliminate, low joy essential, and low joy eliminate. This framework identifies which expenses to cut ruthlessly versus which to maintain or increase. Test cancellations on low-joy items to see if life changes, since most subscription decisions are easily reversible.

Notable Moment

Brad admits he stopped tracking expenses meticulously despite being a CPA and longtime FI advocate, only monitoring total credit card payments rather than itemized spending. He recognizes this gives no real insight into where money goes, demonstrating how even experienced FI practitioners experience expense drift over time and need periodic audits to regain clarity.

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Episode Transcript

Hello, everyone. Excited to pick back up our discussion, to resume our discussion. Is it pretentious to assume that you listened to last week's episode before listening to this week's episode? Maybe, but I will assume. So with that, most people try to earn their way to financial independence. Have you ever considered auditing your way? Today, we're gonna talk about the expense audit, the power of the expense audit. We're gonna talk about a four step framework. We're gonna talk about money leaks. We're gonna talk about turning savings into FI acceleration, and why it matters. Why start here? And with that, welcome to ChooseFI, your home for financial independence online. Before we get started, I keep this podcast entirely ad free for two reasons. First, this is a five podcast, and I don't want to promote products that I don't want you to buy in the first place. And second, I really like the clean listening experience of a show where you don't have to fast forward ads. To keep it ad free, all I ask of you as a listener is the next time you open a travel rewards credit card, go to choosefi.com/cards. And with that, on to the show. And to help me with this, I have my cohost, Brad, here with me today. How are you doing, buddy? Hey, Jonathan. I am doing quite well. Yeah. You, so my old CPA hat came on for a second there when you said the word audit. I got some, some tables. It was cool. I'm I'm excited about that. Hair stand up, man. What's gonna happen here? The goosebumps are here. Good things are here. If you're an accountant, that's like flight or fight syndrome. Nothing, like, just wakes you up more than the word audit. Indeed. Indeed. So, yeah, that was pretty cool. And, yeah, I actually got some fun news this morning. I haven't even told you this. I've had a long standing thing about going back to Japan. So this has actually become almost like a running meme on the show the last couple years because I've talked about going to visit Japan. And it's always, oh, I'm gonna do this next year. And then it it never happens. I made it a goal, as I told you a couple weeks ago, to get back to Japan this year. It was definitely gonna happen. And I actually just found out this morning that I got concert tickets. So Aaron and I put in for a lottery for Eddie Vedder, who's the lead singer of Pearl Jam. He has a four night acoustic show Oh, wow. And in Japan, of all places, this year. It's the only place he's playing solo solo shows. We put in for a lottery, and we got selected this morning for April 17. So we are going Oh, it's not too much for now. Maybe sometime this year. It's like Japan imminently. Exactly. So I'm going but we have …

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