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Tax Planning To and Through Early Retirement | Cody Garrett & Sean Mullaney | Ep 565

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Tax Planning,Cody Garrett,Sean Mullaney

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66 min

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3 min

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Health & Wellness, Personal Finance, Investing

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Key Takeaways

  • Effective Tax Rates in Early Retirement: Early retirees living on $200,000 from taxable brokerage accounts can potentially pay zero federal income tax due to basis recovery, the $31,500 standard deduction for married couples, and the $96,700 zero percent long-term capital gains bracket. This contrasts sharply with workers earning $200,000 who pay approximately $27,000 in federal income tax plus $15,000 in FICA taxes, demonstrating the structural tax advantages Congress provides to retirees over wage earners.
  • Traditional vs Roth Contributions Strategy: Contributing to traditional 401k accounts during working years provides deductions at marginal rates of 24-32 percent, while distributions in retirement get taxed progressively starting at zero percent through the standard deduction, then 10 percent, 12 percent brackets. Even if tax rates increase 50 percent in the future, deducting at 24 percent today and paying 15 percent tomorrow still creates positive arbitrage, making traditional contributions favorable for most workers planning early retirement.
  • Golden Years Roth Conversions (Ages 65-69): Married couples aged 65-69 can execute tax-free Roth conversions of approximately $45,700 annually by combining the $31,500 standard deduction, $3,200 additional standard deduction for seniors, and $12,000 senior deduction totaling $46,700 in tax-free space. This strategy works best when living expenses come from taxable brokerage accounts with basis recovery, creating minimal taxable income while converting traditional IRA funds to Roth accounts completely tax-free before RMDs begin at age 75.
  • ACA Premium Tax Credit Optimization: Early retirees need income between 138-400 percent of federal poverty level to maximize ACA premium tax credits worth thousands annually. Taxable brokerage accounts provide optimal flexibility because only the capital gains portion counts as income, not the entire withdrawal amount. Small Roth conversions can strategically increase income to the 138 percent threshold when needed, while avoiding excessive conversions that would eliminate premium tax credits by pushing income above 400 percent of poverty level.
  • RMD Fear Reassessment: Since 2017, RMD rules have become significantly more favorable through three changes: TCJA permanently lowered tax rates and increased standard deductions, 2022 regulations increased life expectancy factors reducing annual RMD amounts, and the starting age increased from 70.5 to 75 for those born in 1960 or later. These changes eliminate the first four to five RMDs entirely and reduce taxes on remaining distributions, making RMDs more of an administrative nuisance than a financial threat for most retirees.

What It Covers

Cody Garrett and Sean Mullaney explain tax strategies for early retirement, demonstrating how retirees can achieve extremely low effective tax rates through strategic use of standard deductions, capital gains harvesting, Roth conversions, and ACA premium tax credits. The discussion dispels common fears about RMDs and future tax increases while providing concrete calculations showing retirees often pay significantly less tax than workers.

Key Questions Answered

  • Effective Tax Rates in Early Retirement: Early retirees living on $200,000 from taxable brokerage accounts can potentially pay zero federal income tax due to basis recovery, the $31,500 standard deduction for married couples, and the $96,700 zero percent long-term capital gains bracket. This contrasts sharply with workers earning $200,000 who pay approximately $27,000 in federal income tax plus $15,000 in FICA taxes, demonstrating the structural tax advantages Congress provides to retirees over wage earners.
  • Traditional vs Roth Contributions Strategy: Contributing to traditional 401k accounts during working years provides deductions at marginal rates of 24-32 percent, while distributions in retirement get taxed progressively starting at zero percent through the standard deduction, then 10 percent, 12 percent brackets. Even if tax rates increase 50 percent in the future, deducting at 24 percent today and paying 15 percent tomorrow still creates positive arbitrage, making traditional contributions favorable for most workers planning early retirement.
  • Golden Years Roth Conversions (Ages 65-69): Married couples aged 65-69 can execute tax-free Roth conversions of approximately $45,700 annually by combining the $31,500 standard deduction, $3,200 additional standard deduction for seniors, and $12,000 senior deduction totaling $46,700 in tax-free space. This strategy works best when living expenses come from taxable brokerage accounts with basis recovery, creating minimal taxable income while converting traditional IRA funds to Roth accounts completely tax-free before RMDs begin at age 75.
  • ACA Premium Tax Credit Optimization: Early retirees need income between 138-400 percent of federal poverty level to maximize ACA premium tax credits worth thousands annually. Taxable brokerage accounts provide optimal flexibility because only the capital gains portion counts as income, not the entire withdrawal amount. Small Roth conversions can strategically increase income to the 138 percent threshold when needed, while avoiding excessive conversions that would eliminate premium tax credits by pushing income above 400 percent of poverty level.
  • RMD Fear Reassessment: Since 2017, RMD rules have become significantly more favorable through three changes: TCJA permanently lowered tax rates and increased standard deductions, 2022 regulations increased life expectancy factors reducing annual RMD amounts, and the starting age increased from 70.5 to 75 for those born in 1960 or later. These changes eliminate the first four to five RMDs entirely and reduce taxes on remaining distributions, making RMDs more of an administrative nuisance than a financial threat for most retirees.
  • Phase One Distribution Order: Early retirees before age 65 should prioritize spending from checking and savings accounts first to generate zero taxable income, then taxable brokerage accounts with basis recovery to minimize income while accessing cash. This approach keeps modified adjusted gross income low for ACA premium tax credit eligibility while preserving traditional retirement accounts for later tax-free or low-tax Roth conversions during the golden years when premium tax credits no longer apply and before RMDs begin.

Notable Moment

The hosts calculated that an NFL quarterback earning $60 million annually who takes a $23,500 401k deduction at 37 percent could theoretically benefit from traditional contributions over Roth, even at extreme income levels. This demonstrates how progressive tax brackets favor deferral regardless of income, since retirement distributions start at zero percent through the standard deduction and fill lower brackets first, creating arbitrage opportunities even for ultra-high earners who embrace financial independence principles.

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Episode Transcript

Hello, and welcome to choose a phi today on the show, we have Cody Garrett and Sean Mullaney. They just published a book called tax planning to and through early retirement. And this to me is one of the most important books written for the phi community in many years. It's something that provides a significant amount of detail and information and dispels fears. So many fears are just thrown around in terms of, Hey, what is my effective tax rate going to be in retirement? Is this something significant? Are there things that I don't know? Are there unknowns? Are there these boogeymen that I keep hearing about in the traditional mainstream financial media? And I think what you're going to find out from both this episode and from this book is that we are so well placed in the phi community to take advantage of all of these amazing benefits that have really been showered upon us in terms of available options to really benefit and pay a very low tax liability and effective tax rate. And I think reading this book gave me knowledge that I didn't have before. And I've been in the PHI community for over a dozen years, and for me to come across multiple things in one source that just really opened my eyes to something remarkable, it just blew me away. I think you, the listener, you, the reader are going to get some real certainty on this potential fear. I don't know what else to say other than this is a really important episode. This is a really important book. And with that, welcome to choose that fine. Sean and Cody. Thank you guys for coming back. You two are two of maybe, maybe our two most frequent contributors here on Choose a Buy. So it's really neat to have you both at the same time and really to celebrate and to talk about in great depth this really marvelous book that you guys put together. So the book is tax planning to and through early retirement. And I've obviously read it. You guys honored me incredibly and asked me to write the foreword for the book. And yeah, it's really, it's really something special. This is a book truly geared towards tax planning strategies and tactics for retirement, but clearly for the FI community for early retirement. And it is incredibly detailed as nobody who knows you would be surprised. And it really fills a void that I think needed to be filled, but I'd love to hear why you guys created this book. I mean, this was a labor of love and I know, focus on the word labor. I know how much time you guys spent on this. So, Sean, well, first off, welcome. Welcome back as always. Thanks for having me, Brad. Yeah, of course. And, let's talk about why does this book exist? So, Brad, I sort of go back to a handful of reasons. Right? …

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