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Risk Based Guardrails for Drawdown | Ep 566

85 min episode · 3 min read
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Risk Based Guardrails,Aubrey Williams

Episode

85 min

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3 min

Topics

Personal Finance, Investing, Fundraising & VC

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Key Takeaways

  • Frugality Impact Calculation: Reducing monthly expenses by $100 creates a $90,000 swing toward financial independence. The monthly reduction lowers the FI number by $30,000 (using 4% rule: $100/month equals $1,200/year times 25). Investing that $100 monthly for twenty years at 8% returns generates $60,000 in assets, combining for substantial impact from small behavioral changes that compound over decades of accumulation.
  • Risk-Based Guardrails Framework: Start with 90% success rate instead of 100%, enabling 4.39% withdrawal rate versus 4% on a million-dollar portfolio. Set lower guardrail at 75% success ($901,000 portfolio value) requiring spending reduction to $40,700. Upper guardrail at 100% success ($1,190,000 portfolio value) triggers spending increase to $51,800. This creates specific numerical triggers for adjustments rather than vague flexibility advice.
  • Historical Analysis Dataset: Retirement planning tools use US stocks and bonds data from 1871 to present, encompassing the Great Depression (portfolio values dropping to one-third), stagflation, dot-com bubble, 2008 financial crisis, and COVID-19. Running personal scenarios through these historical cohorts reveals actual adjustment requirements during severe downturns, typically 10% spending reductions for five-year periods rather than catastrophic cuts feared by conservative planners.
  • Success Rate Reframing: A 100% chance of success equals 100% chance of underspending, typically resulting in $5-20 million in unspent assets. Derek Tharp's research shows even 50% probability of success creates viable retirement outcomes with similar spending levels but different legacy values. This challenges the FI community's adherence to near-certain success rates that force people to work extra years unnecessarily.
  • Social Security Blind Spot: Most people reaching out for financial planning fail to factor future cash flows like Social Security into their FI calculations, causing fifteen-year miscalculations in retirement readiness. Running scenarios at different claiming ages (62, 65, 67, 70) and applying 25% haircuts or complete elimination shows dramatic impacts. Creating comprehensive net worth statements consolidating all accounts reveals actual financial position versus fragmented account-by-account thinking.

What It Covers

Aubrey Williams, financial advisor and ChooseFI community member, presents risk-based guardrails for retirement drawdown using historical analysis. This approach allows people to reach financial independence sooner and spend more confidently by adjusting withdrawal rates based on portfolio performance, moving beyond the fixed 4% rule to dynamic spending strategies with specific upper and lower guardrails.

Key Questions Answered

  • Frugality Impact Calculation: Reducing monthly expenses by $100 creates a $90,000 swing toward financial independence. The monthly reduction lowers the FI number by $30,000 (using 4% rule: $100/month equals $1,200/year times 25). Investing that $100 monthly for twenty years at 8% returns generates $60,000 in assets, combining for substantial impact from small behavioral changes that compound over decades of accumulation.
  • Risk-Based Guardrails Framework: Start with 90% success rate instead of 100%, enabling 4.39% withdrawal rate versus 4% on a million-dollar portfolio. Set lower guardrail at 75% success ($901,000 portfolio value) requiring spending reduction to $40,700. Upper guardrail at 100% success ($1,190,000 portfolio value) triggers spending increase to $51,800. This creates specific numerical triggers for adjustments rather than vague flexibility advice.
  • Historical Analysis Dataset: Retirement planning tools use US stocks and bonds data from 1871 to present, encompassing the Great Depression (portfolio values dropping to one-third), stagflation, dot-com bubble, 2008 financial crisis, and COVID-19. Running personal scenarios through these historical cohorts reveals actual adjustment requirements during severe downturns, typically 10% spending reductions for five-year periods rather than catastrophic cuts feared by conservative planners.
  • Success Rate Reframing: A 100% chance of success equals 100% chance of underspending, typically resulting in $5-20 million in unspent assets. Derek Tharp's research shows even 50% probability of success creates viable retirement outcomes with similar spending levels but different legacy values. This challenges the FI community's adherence to near-certain success rates that force people to work extra years unnecessarily.
  • Social Security Blind Spot: Most people reaching out for financial planning fail to factor future cash flows like Social Security into their FI calculations, causing fifteen-year miscalculations in retirement readiness. Running scenarios at different claiming ages (62, 65, 67, 70) and applying 25% haircuts or complete elimination shows dramatic impacts. Creating comprehensive net worth statements consolidating all accounts reveals actual financial position versus fragmented account-by-account thinking.
  • Equity Glide Path Strategy: Traditional advice to decrease stock allocation throughout retirement fails for forty to sixty-year retirement horizons. Historical analysis shows maintaining equity exposure (60-70% stocks) provides necessary growth despite volatility, as selling during downturns locks in losses. The FI community's longer retirement timelines require accepting 30% portfolio drops while maintaining equity positions, supported by guardrails that trigger spending adjustments rather than panic selling.

Notable Moment

Williams describes attending CampFI Midwest where he provided free financial analysis sessions. Three attendees discovered they had already reached financial independence on the spot, with tears and friends saying they had been telling them for years. One person thought they needed fifteen more years of work but learned they could leave immediately after proper analysis factored in future cash flows.

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Episode Transcript

Hello, and welcome to Chooseify. Today on the show, we have Aubrey Williams. He's a long time member of the Chooseify community, the FI community, and he is now a financial advisor. And he created an incredible presentation that he gave at CampFi recently called Everyone Adjusts. And this was really looking at your withdrawal rate and using historical analysis and risk based guardrails, which he's gonna talk about in great depth to potentially reach Fi sooner and spend more once you get to Fi. This episode was really transformative for me because I've always thought about Fi, even though I've done this for nine years now on the podcast. And I understand that deeply how a lot of this stuff works. I've really thought of a withdrawal rate as one constant thing and my FI number as one constant thing. And what Aubrey's helped me understand is I need to consider both eventualities when my net worth decreases once I'm withdrawing, but also increases and how that might impact how much I can spend. Instead of thinking about it as one monolithic number that is set in stone forever, we have to understand that everyone adjusts, as the presentation is titled. And I think this is going to really open your eyes to something that's going to help you, like we said, reach Fi sooner and spend more potentially. So I know you're going to get a lot out of that. But at the beginning of the episode, we also talk a little more about the philosophy of Fi. And this is what I appreciate about Aubrey so much is he writes me emails multiple times a year in response to my newsletter and just writes the most incredibly insightful things. And I wanted to give you a flavor of that as well. So not only is there the analytical, the financial advisor, but there's more of really the essence of phi. I think this is a phenomenal episode. I think I'm gonna get a lot out of it. And with that, welcome to Choose. Fi. Aubrey, welcome to Choose. Fi. I am so happy to have you here. Thank you, Brad. Thank you. It's amazing to be here with you. The last time I saw you, we were having breakfast. Now we're doing this. It's like no time has passed at all. Yeah. Seriously. Six months after economy, we're having breakfast there in Cincinnati. And, yeah, it's really cool. You are someone who reaches out to me quite often, and I'm so deeply appreciative of your emails. I know you, you often respond to my biweekly newsletter that I send out on Tuesdays with just the most thoughtful, deeply introspective and, and interesting just, I hate to use the word analysis, but analysis on life. And, I consider you a, a philosopher of sorts, and I really, I really appreciate it. So the, a sensible purpose of this episode is to talk about really an incredible presentation you …

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