Paul Jarvis: gaining freedom by building an indie business

This podcast is hosted by transistor. F m. Hey, welcome to build your SaaS. This is the behind the scenes story of what it takes to build a web app, a SaaS, an indie startup in 2023. I'm Justin Jackson. I'm the cofounder of transistor. And this week I've got a real treat for you. I spoke with my old friend, Paul Jarvis. Paul Jarvis, the guy that invented the Internet well, actually, he's the cofounder of Fathom Analytics. And Paul and I did a mastermind for years, a weekly hangout with, Jared Drysdale. The three of us would get together on Zoom and talk about our businesses, talk about life. And, Paul and I had not spoken in a while, so we thought we would do a call, but also record our little audio reunion for all of you and, publish it on our podcast feeds. Paul and his cofounder Jack have an amazing podcast called Above Board, which you should go check out. Anyway, here is my conversation with Paul. Paul Jarvis. What is happening? How's it going? Not too bad, man. How are you? I sorry. I'm a I'm a I was just a little bit in a rush because I took it's my oldest son's eighteenth birthday. You don't have enough gray hair to have an 18 year old. Dude, I've got Sadie is, Sadie is in her going into her third year at UVic. She's 20. She'll be she'll be 21 in December, which is when I got married. So Jeez. Wow. Dude, it's good to see you. It's been so long, man. And things for you are good. You're just that you're you're enjoying not being on the Internet? I mean, yeah. More more and more every day. It seems so trivial to me. The longer I'm off of the longer I'm offline, the more trivial everything on the Internet seems. And it's weird because, like, when I was on the Internet, like, none of it seemed trivial. And now all of it does. Everything. Because Jack tells me Jack tells me about the Internet every day. Yeah. You get he probably gives you the Coles notes every week or something. Exactly. He tells me what's going on in in the start of space and with Laravel and all of that. And and you're just like, great. Just like, cool. I'm a get back to work now. Have you been have you been spending time? Are you still doing some gardening? Are you still what's recreational, Paul, would that look like these days if you're not you're not writing a newsletter? You're not writing a blog? Not writing anything. Yeah. I don't spend any time on the computer unless I'm working. Like, unless I have to be on the computer, I don't. So right now, I'm in I'm doing a kitchen reno, which I don't right now. Okay. Yeah. I don't I don't You don't. Yeah. No. Don't do that at all. Don't do …