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This podcast is hosted by transistor.fm. Hey, everyone. Welcome to Build Your SaaS. This is the behind the scenes story of building a web app in 2020. I'm John Buda, a software engineer. And I'm Justin Jackson. I do product and marketing. Follow along as we continue to build transistor.fm. From 2018, 2020, and beyond. It's September, some people. I don't know how that happened. Yeah. Time is time is, a funny thing. We're gonna keep this one light even though you and I both have a little bit of existential dread about November. Yeah. I don't know why what's happening in November, Justin. Yeah. So we're not gonna talk about it. Although, I think, people should be aware of it and should be thinking about it and making the right choice. But, I wanted to instead of recording a full episode today, I thought we would just play this interview I just did with Justin Vincent over at the Tech Zing podcast. That this podcast has been going forever. It's it's kind of one of the original Bootstrapper podcasters. This is episode 333 that I recorded with Justin. Long time. We're we're at one one six. So we we bow to him and his how long he's been going. But, yeah, this was a fun one. We were kind of debating. He he saw something I tweeted, and, he messaged me in the Slack channel, and we started a little debate and then said he said, hey. We should talk about this on my podcast sometime. And I said, let's just do it right now. And we are able to kinda carry that energy from this debate right into the podcast Alright. Which I think people enjoy. So let's, yeah, let's play that right now. Cool. Ladies and gentlemen, who listened to this texting show, I I am very proud to present, that I am having an interview with Justin Jackson, who I am a huge fan of, and it this is an impromptu interview and, super exciting, that this happened. Hey, Justin. Hey. I love this kind this is actually my favorite kind of interview where it happens when I don't have to schedule things. I really don't like scheduling things in my calendar. Yeah. I know the feeling. And so, like, one of the reasons I started a business is so that I I wouldn't have to have anything in my calendar. Now this is at odds with I really like being on podcasts. And, you know, by if you wanna be in a podcast, usually, you have to put something in your calendar. So, yeah, it was fun that we were just chatting on on Slack, and then we could just say, hey. Well, what what? We both have microphones. Let's just do it. We're both clearly on the Internet right now. Well, you know, I mean, just just to give the listeners a little bit of, background, for me, you you're a very fascinating character …