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20VC: The Future of Datacentres: What You Need to Know | Why Everyone Gets GPU Depreciation and AI's Energy Costs Wrong | Who Really Makes Money From AI & Why Most Moats Don't Exist with Chase Lochmiller

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Chase Lochmiller

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61 min

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3 min

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Remote Work, Relationships, Investing

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Key Takeaways

  • ✓Vertical Integration as Supply Chain Weapon: When building Crusoe's Abilene campus, a single power distribution component had a 100-week market lead time. By manufacturing it internally, Crusoe delivered in 28 weeks. Vertical integration across electrical manufacturing, data centers, GPUs, and inference isn't primarily a margin play — it's an availability and speed-to-deployment strategy that unlocks the ability to win contracts competitors cannot fulfill.
  • ✓Three-Layer Revenue Model: Crusoe monetizes AI infrastructure across three distinct products — data centers (sold to operators), GPUs (rented on take-or-pay contracts, typically five-year terms to credit-quality customers), and tokens (managed inference, shorter-term, higher-margin). Blending these margin profiles — similar to how Exxon hedges oil exposure through vertical integration — creates a naturally balanced portfolio that buffers against commodity price swings in any single layer.
  • ✓GPU Depreciation Is Misunderstood: The industry standard six-year depreciation cycle for GPUs is widely doubted, but Hopper GPUs purchased in 2023 now command higher rental rates than at launch — three years later. Early lenders demanded rapid payback assuming rapid obsolescence. Building managed inference services that abstract away the underlying chip extends monetization well beyond hardware refresh cycles and reframes GPUs as long-duration assets rather than depreciating liabilities.
  • ✓Energy Prices Fall, Not Rise, Near Data Centers: Contrary to the dominant public narrative, markets where large-scale data centers have been built show energy price decreases for local communities. More generation capacity gets added, amortized across existing transmission infrastructure, lowering per-unit costs. Crusoe's 140-megawatt Abilene buildings also use roughly the same annual water as 10 single-family homes, using closed-loop liquid cooling — making both the energy and water scarcity arguments factually incorrect.
  • ✓AI Infrastructure Will Distribute, Not Centralize: Traditional web infrastructure concentrated in hubs like Northern Virginia because network latency dominated. AI inference workloads are compute-bound inside the data center, not latency-bound to the user. This opens geographies where low-cost, abundant energy exists. Crusoe's strategy targets these distributed energy-rich locations rather than competing for constrained power in established data center markets — a structural advantage as power and skilled labor remain the two primary bottlenecks.

What It Covers

Chase Lochmiller, CEO of Crusoe Energy (valued at $30.9B after a $3.9B Series F), breaks down the full AI infrastructure value chain — data centers, GPU compute, and managed inference — while correcting widespread misconceptions about energy costs, water usage, chip depreciation, and where durable competitive advantages actually exist in AI infrastructure.

Key Questions Answered

  • •Vertical Integration as Supply Chain Weapon: When building Crusoe's Abilene campus, a single power distribution component had a 100-week market lead time. By manufacturing it internally, Crusoe delivered in 28 weeks. Vertical integration across electrical manufacturing, data centers, GPUs, and inference isn't primarily a margin play — it's an availability and speed-to-deployment strategy that unlocks the ability to win contracts competitors cannot fulfill.
  • •Three-Layer Revenue Model: Crusoe monetizes AI infrastructure across three distinct products — data centers (sold to operators), GPUs (rented on take-or-pay contracts, typically five-year terms to credit-quality customers), and tokens (managed inference, shorter-term, higher-margin). Blending these margin profiles — similar to how Exxon hedges oil exposure through vertical integration — creates a naturally balanced portfolio that buffers against commodity price swings in any single layer.
  • •GPU Depreciation Is Misunderstood: The industry standard six-year depreciation cycle for GPUs is widely doubted, but Hopper GPUs purchased in 2023 now command higher rental rates than at launch — three years later. Early lenders demanded rapid payback assuming rapid obsolescence. Building managed inference services that abstract away the underlying chip extends monetization well beyond hardware refresh cycles and reframes GPUs as long-duration assets rather than depreciating liabilities.
  • •Energy Prices Fall, Not Rise, Near Data Centers: Contrary to the dominant public narrative, markets where large-scale data centers have been built show energy price decreases for local communities. More generation capacity gets added, amortized across existing transmission infrastructure, lowering per-unit costs. Crusoe's 140-megawatt Abilene buildings also use roughly the same annual water as 10 single-family homes, using closed-loop liquid cooling — making both the energy and water scarcity arguments factually incorrect.
  • •AI Infrastructure Will Distribute, Not Centralize: Traditional web infrastructure concentrated in hubs like Northern Virginia because network latency dominated. AI inference workloads are compute-bound inside the data center, not latency-bound to the user. This opens geographies where low-cost, abundant energy exists. Crusoe's strategy targets these distributed energy-rich locations rather than competing for constrained power in established data center markets — a structural advantage as power and skilled labor remain the two primary bottlenecks.
  • •Most Moats Are Illusions: Lochmiller revised his view on durable competitive advantages over the past 12 months. During periods of accelerating model capability and rapid infrastructure change, most moats are ephemeral. The actual competitive advantage is organizational speed and adaptability — the ability to re-plan quickly when conditions shift, analogous to mountaineering contingency planning (Plan A through Plan D). Execution velocity and supply chain control matter more than any static structural advantage.

Notable Moment

Lochmiller revealed that when Crusoe first made large-scale Hopper GPU purchases in 2023, investors and lenders questioned whether the hardware would retain any value past year three. Three years later, rental rates for those same chips are higher than at launch — directly contradicting the depreciation risk narrative that shaped early financing terms.

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Episode Transcript

So absent having a purpose, I was like, man, I guess I guess I should get rich. Like, that's maybe the next best thing to, like, having a, you know, a monastic calling that you're devoted to. The infrastructure to support AI wasn't gonna be centralized. It was gonna distributed where energy was low cost and abundant. Energy prices actually come down. It's actually the opposite of the narrative that's being told. People are very emotional about data centers. There's really like three products that we ultimately sell to customers and where we're making money. We can sell data centers, we can sell GPUs, and we can sell tokens. Well, you know, the GPU is actually the most valuable thing in the entire data center. Most moats are a illusion. Most moats don't exist. This is 20 VC with me, Harry Steppings. Now my job is to bring you the most relevant interviews in technology. Right now, we are in a race for data centers, for compute capacity, for energy, and there is not a more pertinent guest that could join me in the hot seat today than Chase Locke Miller from Crusoe Energy. They provide several different layers of this very important business, which is they provide the data centers, they can provide the compute, and then they can provide the inference, three of the most valuable pillars of this value chain. He sits down today to join me following their $3,900,000,000 series f, which was raised at a $30,900,000,000 valuation. Get the notebooks out. This one went very granular into the build out that's required over the next few years to supply the incessant demand for AI. But before we dive into the show today, founders and investors sleep on Eight Sleep. It is the intelligent sleep system trusted by mister Mark Zuckerberg, doctor Andrew Huberman, Charles Leclerc, and the Aston Martin f one team. The pod is a smart mattress cover that fits on any bed. It cools each side to 55 degrees, heats to a 110 degrees. It even tracks your heart rate, HRV, and sleep stages without a wearable. Thank god. The new Pod six has a hub 50% smaller than the last one and starts at just $1,999. Visit 8sleep.com/20vc. That's eightsleep.com/20vc. While Eight Sleep helps you sleep better, MongoDB helps you build better. MongoDB has always been the database developers love. Well, now it's the data platform AI agents need. Agents need accurate context, fast. MongoDB stores, searches, and reasons over your data in real time. JSON native database, vector search, and Voyage AI embeddings all in one place. One system instead of 10. No data pipelines to maintain. Ugh. This sounds too good to be true. Build and scale from your first user to billions of vectors. Run on any cloud, on prem, or your laptop even. That's why 75% of the Fortune 100 run their most critical apps on MongoDB, moving trillions of dollars every single day. And it's why AI …

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