20VC: Anthropic Surpasses OpenAI Revenue | OpenAI Acquisition of TBPN: Analysed | OpenAI Management Team Reboot | YC Kicks Delve Out | Mercor Hack and Why Now is the Time for Cyber | Supabase Raising at $10BN & Doug Leone Returns to Sequoia
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Key Takeaways
- ✓Anthropic's cost advantage compounds: Anthropic reached $30B ARR in roughly three years while maintaining training costs one-quarter of OpenAI's. When a competitor simultaneously out-accelerates you and operates more efficiently below the gross margin line, the gap compounds exponentially. Investors should treat this dual advantage — faster revenue growth plus lower structural costs — as a more dangerous competitive signal than revenue trajectory alone.
- ✓OpenAI equity liquidity window: Holders of OpenAI equity at the $820B valuation should treat any tender offer as a serious exit opportunity rather than a hold. When a company shows simultaneous management turnover, a competitor accelerating faster, and a majority of its latest funding round arriving as non-cash compute offsets rather than hard dollars, the risk profile at that valuation deteriorates materially and quickly.
- ✓M&A deals die with management changes: The TBPN acquisition originated in January under different leadership priorities. By April, the same deal would almost certainly not have been approved. For founders evaluating acquisition offers, management turnover at the acquirer is the single most reliable deal-killer — the executive championing a deal rarely survives long enough to close it, making default acceptance of attractive offers strategically rational.
- ✓SpaceX IPO valuation is an Elon premium bet: SpaceX's standalone asset was valued at $400B less than twelve months before the $2T IPO target. The gap between any sum-of-parts analysis and the whisper number represents entirely the Elon premium. With a 30% retail allocation and limited underwriter leverage over Elon, the IPO price will likely be willed into existence on day one regardless of fundamental justification.
- ✓AI-powered cyberattacks will hit underprepared B2B startups hardest: Most scaling B2B companies rely on patchwork open-source security tooling with no dedicated security team. AI enables attackers to automate phishing, voice duplication, and vulnerability scanning at scale, targeting any exposed endpoint. Companies cutting security budgets in response to AI cost savings are making a fatal error — the two company-ending events remain extended downtime and a material data breach.
What It Covers
Harry Stebbings, Rory O'Driscoll, and Jason Lemkin analyze five major tech stories: Anthropic surpassing OpenAI at $30B ARR with training costs one-quarter of OpenAI's, OpenAI's wholesale management reboot, the TBPN acquisition, SpaceX's confidential IPO filing at a $2T valuation, and Supabase raising at a $10B valuation.
Key Questions Answered
- •Anthropic's cost advantage compounds: Anthropic reached $30B ARR in roughly three years while maintaining training costs one-quarter of OpenAI's. When a competitor simultaneously out-accelerates you and operates more efficiently below the gross margin line, the gap compounds exponentially. Investors should treat this dual advantage — faster revenue growth plus lower structural costs — as a more dangerous competitive signal than revenue trajectory alone.
- •OpenAI equity liquidity window: Holders of OpenAI equity at the $820B valuation should treat any tender offer as a serious exit opportunity rather than a hold. When a company shows simultaneous management turnover, a competitor accelerating faster, and a majority of its latest funding round arriving as non-cash compute offsets rather than hard dollars, the risk profile at that valuation deteriorates materially and quickly.
- •M&A deals die with management changes: The TBPN acquisition originated in January under different leadership priorities. By April, the same deal would almost certainly not have been approved. For founders evaluating acquisition offers, management turnover at the acquirer is the single most reliable deal-killer — the executive championing a deal rarely survives long enough to close it, making default acceptance of attractive offers strategically rational.
- •SpaceX IPO valuation is an Elon premium bet: SpaceX's standalone asset was valued at $400B less than twelve months before the $2T IPO target. The gap between any sum-of-parts analysis and the whisper number represents entirely the Elon premium. With a 30% retail allocation and limited underwriter leverage over Elon, the IPO price will likely be willed into existence on day one regardless of fundamental justification.
- •AI-powered cyberattacks will hit underprepared B2B startups hardest: Most scaling B2B companies rely on patchwork open-source security tooling with no dedicated security team. AI enables attackers to automate phishing, voice duplication, and vulnerability scanning at scale, targeting any exposed endpoint. Companies cutting security budgets in response to AI cost savings are making a fatal error — the two company-ending events remain extended downtime and a material data breach.
- •Agentic marketing will replace current playbooks within two years: A two-person company scaled to $1.8B in GLP-1 revenue by deploying AI-driven hyper-personalized marketing at mass scale. The same pattern historically repeated with affiliate marketing and SEO — tactics pioneered at the regulatory edge become standard practice within two to three years. Digital marketers still running 2023 outreach cadences and static ad creative will be structurally outcompeted by teams deploying agentic personalization at scale.
Notable Moment
The panel noted that the three largest private tech companies — SpaceX, OpenAI, and Anthropic — will likely exceed the combined IPO value of every other company that went public over the prior twenty-five years. One panelist described finding this concentration psychologically destabilizing, questioning whether anything else in venture capital currently matters.
Episode Transcript
Their training costs are a quarter of OpenAI. It really feels like the the investors in OpenAI got a much worse deal in the last round than the anthropic ones did. I thought the acquisition of a TPBN was just insane. I'm gonna call bullshit on start to finish on this whole discussion. Owning a media asset invariably takes way more time than you think for way less money than you expect. See Jeff Bezos for details. There's no way that deal is gonna happen today. Like, it's dead because of management change. The big three, SpaceX plus OpenAI plus Anthropic, assuming they all IPO, and certainly SpaceX will in the next twelve months. Their value at IPO will exceed every other IPO for the last twenty years. This is 20 VC with me, Harry Stebbings. It's my favorite show of the week. Rory O'Driscoll, Jason Lemkin analyzing the biggest news in tech every week. So what do we have on the agenda this week? OpenAI reboots management team. OpenAI buys tVPN. Anthropic hits a whopping $30,000,000,000 in revenue surpassing OpenAI. And then finally, SpaceX finally, confidentially files for IPO targeting a $2,000,000,000,000 valuation. But before we dive into the show today, let me tell you about Omni. It's an AI analytics platform and it solves a problem every scaling company hits. Your team needs insights, not just data lookups, the stuff that really matters, and it's critical to get it right like CAC payback periods and net dollar retention. For AI agents to act on your company data, they need your business context, your definitions, your logic, your permissions, and that's what Omni's governed context graph provides. Your data team defines it once, then anyone, your ops lead, your CFO, your PM can ask a question in English and get an answer in seconds. Perplexity, Mercury, and DBT run on Omni, and 20 VC listeners get a free three week trial. Three week, very specific, not a month, but three weeks. Go to omni.co/20vc. That's omni.co/20vc. After omni helps you find the right customers, Checkout helps you close them. Over the past fifteen years, Guillem Pozaz has led checkout.com through what he calls the velocity years, a period of hypergrowth with relentless product building. The lesson, high growth is a gift, but it demands ruthless focus. As his mother put it, play the game you're good at. For checkout.com, that game is digital payments, obsessing over data, chasing basis points, and compounding learnings over time. And that discipline is paying off. 2025, checkout.com processed over 300,000,000,000 in total volume, up up 64% year over year, and returned to full year EBITDA profitability. They now support over a thousand enterprise merchants globally, including 63 that process more than 1,000,000,000 annually with brands like eBay, Vinted, Amex, Asos, and Tmoo. Keyon's message so it's pretty clear. They've earned the right to win anywhere. Now, they're investing in innovation across marketplaces, issuing financial experiences and agentic commerce. If you want payments built …
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